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11-05-2013 , 09:00 AM
Hero playing ~£400. Villain playing a little over, about £550.
The game is £1/£2 NLHE.

The game up until this point has been super super fishy, with there being 2 nits, one steady player, and the rest being super loose fishes.

UTG raises it up to £7, and gets 4 callers when it comes to me in the bb. Most stacks are pretty big (£150+). I am in the BB with KhTh. I squeeze it up and raise to £35 (thought there was a good chance this might get through). It didn't get through, and there were 3 callers.

Flop came KdTd9h, two diamonds. I cbet £60 into like £150-£160. Everyone folds barring the button, who calls.

Turn came 4 of hearts. I check, he bets £110.

What is the next move here?

Last edited by jstafford93; 11-05-2013 at 09:01 AM. Reason: Forgot to say, the button here is the guy I viewed as a steady, decent player.
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11-05-2013 , 09:19 AM
Lead bigger on flop, jam turn as played. Lose to QJs, sets. Beat AK, KQ, airballs.
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11-05-2013 , 09:45 AM
Lead the flop in the area of $125.

As played, I'm jamming the turn.

Also, if squeezing there, make it $40-45 pre.
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11-05-2013 , 10:42 AM
Top 2 and a flush draw on the turn? I'd have kept betting but as played crai
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11-05-2013 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by wck117
Top 2 and a flush draw on the turn? I'd have kept betting but as played crai
AP I love it, now CRAI. NH.

I wish my squeezes came out this well
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11-05-2013 , 01:29 PM
Thanks for the input guys - made me feel much better!

Sadly, this time the villain in the piece was very much the villain. I did check raise all in, and he tanks for like 20-30 seconds. At this point I'm thinking one thing - kerching!

However, he then sigh calls, and asks grimly if we have a set. I say no....do you? He nods his head slowly, and turns over TT.

Last time I squeeze with KhTh! Was right at the end of the session too.
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11-05-2013 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jstafford93
Thanks for the input guys - made me feel much better!

Sadly, this time the villain in the piece was very much the villain. I did check raise all in, and he tanks for like 20-30 seconds. At this point I'm thinking one thing - kerching!

However, he then sigh calls, and asks grimly if we have a set. I say no....do you? He nods his head slowly, and turns over TT.

Last time I squeeze with KhTh! Was right at the end of the session too.
Unfortunately you hit the top of his range, you might still get paid from AK, KQ or occasional AJss/AQss type hands.
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11-05-2013 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jstafford93
Hero playing ~£400. Villain playing a little over, about £550.
The game is £1/£2 NLHE.

The game up until this point has been super super fishy, with there being 2 nits, one steady player, and the rest being super loose fishes.

UTG raises it up to £7, and gets 4 callers when it comes to me in the bb. Most stacks are pretty big (£150+). I am in the BB with KhTh. I squeeze it up and raise to £35 (thought there was a good chance this might get through). It didn't get through, and there were 3 callers.

Flop came KdTd9h, two diamonds. I cbet £60 into like £150-£160. Everyone folds barring the button, who calls.

Turn came 4 of hearts. I check, he bets £110.

What is the next move here?
Is a squeeze at this kind of table ever going to work?

Your c-bet is a bit too small. OOP I'm playing my hands on wet boards fast. I'd bet ~90 minimum on this flop. On this table, you can get called by strong king / weaker 2 pair / FD.

On turn, i'd fire again. What is your reason for checking? (unless you planned on check folding). If you are going to cc or cr, you may as well bet to get max value from the hands you beat. You just gave his losing hands a free card when there is no point to doing so. Pot control is gone since SPR ~1.

Results suck, but hey that's teh pokerz.
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11-05-2013 , 03:25 PM
I hate the squeeze. Other than that agree with most other comments here. Don't really like CR on the turn, gets checked back a little too often without really accomplishing all that much. I think he is very unlikely to have floated the flop to bluff the turn.
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11-05-2013 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jack492505
I hate the squeeze. Other than that agree with most other comments here. Don't really like CR on the turn, gets checked back a little too often without really accomplishing all that much. I think he is very unlikely to have floated the flop to bluff the turn.
KTss squeezing OOP is definitely not very profitable if you're getting called, but this time it worked out (kind of).

I guess a lot of opponents in my games view me as spewy/bluffy, but I almost always have it. I guess that's just position and picking spots. But I almost always see a bet go in on the turn against my fellow players in my home game.
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11-05-2013 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jack492505
I hate the squeeze. Other than that agree with most other comments here. Don't really like CR on the turn, gets checked back a little too often without really accomplishing all that much. I think he is very unlikely to have floated the flop to bluff the turn.
Do you hate the squeeze due to the hand I have, or the size of the bet, or both?
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11-05-2013 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jstafford93
Do you hate the squeeze due to the hand I have, or the size of the bet, or both?
I'd prefer to see a hand like 78ss. Curious how others will respond.
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11-05-2013 , 04:40 PM
Sizing is okay. KTs isn't a terrible hand to squeeze with generally, but against an UTG raiser I don't think we get a fold often enough. Then once we get a call from UTG we likely get at least one of the limpers calling. And we end up OOP in a multiway 3bet pot against an UTG raiser whose range is much stronger than our hand.

Basically I think what happened in this hand happens too often. Someone said it kind of worker out here. I'm not sure how that's the case. I assume he means its not so bad to be multiway with our hand. I disagree. Especially once we are taking a flop with stacks being relatively short compared to the size of the pot with a hand that most often is going to flop nothing or weakish top pairs.
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