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1/2 spew or not? 1/2 spew or not?

01-05-2015 , 07:23 PM
Villain: late 40s - early 50s asian man; has been active in a bunch of spots but has shown willingness to fold top pair which I see as bluffable ($300)
Hero: mid 20s asian man; been card dead so table image is nitty ($225)

One limper in EP hero over limps A3 in CO. Villain raises to $13 in BB. EP folds hero calls.

Flop: T32 ($29)

Villain checks, hero bets $20. Villain raises to $50.

At this point I'm a little suspicious. Why would villain play overpairs this way? Really looks like a flush draw or random spazz. Could be a set, but he'd probably take a free flop with 22/33 so only set he could have is TT. I hollywood a little bit acting like I'm debating a fold. Then stack all my chips together and look at him. "You have a set?" I asked, then moved all in.

I figured I could fold out all his air to collect the dead money, maybe his non-nut flush draws and some weirdly played top pair type hands. My line really looks like 22/33 and if called by anything other than TT I have up to five outs and a backdoor wheel draw. Spew or not?
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01-05-2015 , 07:38 PM
fold pre

fold to the flop c/r. He check raised you on the flop. Don't you think a FD would have led out?

we can't try to win every single hand we're involved in. The spew started by calling his raise preflop heads up. Unless there were like 5 callers, fold pre

if you think he has air, he would have cbet the flop not check raised.

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Originally Posted by LordRiverRat
My line really looks like 22/33
and that is also what the villains line looks like
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01-05-2015 , 07:43 PM
Kinda looks spewy to me. When you say he's been active in other spots, do you mean c/raising plenty, then backing down? Do we have any info on how often he raises, or with what cards & from EP? In general, I'd raise this PF to whatever a large raise is by your game's standards. They see you as nitty and will think AQ+/TT+

Without any other reads I think this could be anything from TPGK/Overs to more likely two pair or a set/or a combo of draws. I know some people that might try to steal with 5 4 suited from BB. I think most of his range is ahead. I might consider calling and hoping for a checked showdown, but would most likely fold. I wouldn't want to go to a showdown with what's likely to be 4th pair. I think at best you have 4 outs, considering we don't want to see hearts.

Last edited by QuantumSurfer; 01-05-2015 at 07:46 PM. Reason: dyslexia
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01-05-2015 , 11:36 PM
i know the frustration of being card dead, but instead of playing l/c or calling speculative hands, i try to wait for 3bet and SQZ spots or open normally and cbets most flops..

ap, fold pre and fold flop.
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01-05-2015 , 11:43 PM
OK spew noted. He tanked forever and folded KK. I showed the bluff to try to shake the nit image so I get action from future hands.
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01-05-2015 , 11:51 PM
I think this is a fold pre, not a good heads up hand and the flop play is 100% spew, you look like a FD. Overall I would have to say -ev play.
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01-06-2015 , 11:35 AM
Never folding KK especially after your u have a set speech...
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01-06-2015 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by LordRiverRat
Villain: late 40s - early 50s asian man; has been active in a bunch of spots but has shown willingness to fold top pair which I see as bluffable ($300)
Hero: mid 20s asian man; been card dead so table image is nitty ($225)

One limper in EP hero over limps A3 in CO. Villain raises to $13 in BB. EP folds hero calls.

Flop: T32 ($29)

Villain checks, hero bets $20. Villain raises to $50.

At this point I'm a little suspicious. Why would villain play overpairs this way? Really looks like a flush draw or random spazz. Could be a set, but he'd probably take a free flop with 22/33 so only set he could have is TT. I hollywood a little bit acting like I'm debating a fold. Then stack all my chips together and look at him. "You have a set?" I asked, then moved all in.

I figured I could fold out all his air to collect the dead money, maybe his non-nut flush draws and some weirdly played top pair type hands. My line really looks like 22/33 and if called by anything other than TT I have up to five outs and a backdoor wheel draw. Spew or not?
:grunch:

This seems like major spew to me. Are we really going broke with middle pair after villain has shown so much aggression? We don't even have a heart for god's sake.
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01-06-2015 , 11:54 AM
L/c pre from LP is bad. Either raise or fold imo.

Check/raise (+30 into $69) isn't big enough to be "random spazz". Most likely for value imo. Likely overpair+. Bluffing this spot is pretty questionable, especially since you're not terribly deep.

I definitely don't like the show of the bluff. To the contrary, I'd want him to think I'M the one on a heater now. "Good fold", or "Damn, I was really hoping you'd call there!"
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01-06-2015 , 02:19 PM
Spewing like a stuck pig.
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01-06-2015 , 02:22 PM
I think your biggest mistake here was showing the bluff. Now you can't exploit his guy
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01-06-2015 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Oddhalo
Never folding KK especially after your u have a set speech...
Because...?

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Originally Posted by blakeatron
I think your biggest mistake here was showing the bluff. Now you can't exploit his guy
If this guy is folding KK to me look how big of a nit these guys think I am. He thought he was exploiting me if anything by not paying off my "set". I did it to shake that image cause next time I pull this kind of play my range will be sets and combo draws.
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01-06-2015 , 03:13 PM
Maybe, but you certainly can't continue to bluff anymore because now everybody will think you could be FOS. This is bad if you continue to be card-dead.

Also, Villain can realize what a nit HE is and correctly adjust, making it harder to abuse him (especially you).
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01-06-2015 , 03:18 PM
Don't expect many villains to fold KK in this spot, or even AT+...Your hand has pretty bad equity against his flop check raise range.
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01-06-2015 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by fitzthetaxman
Don't expect many villains to fold KK in this spot, or even AT+...Your hand has pretty bad equity against his flop check raise range.
Agreed. Did you really soul read him and make a very carefully considered decision that you just KNEW he would fold an overpair here, or did you kinda get lucky and are retroactively justifying this?

The whole line looks like spew to me.
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01-06-2015 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by cheesefist
Agreed. Did you really soul read him and make a very carefully considered decision that you just KNEW he would fold an overpair here, or did you kinda get lucky and are retroactively justifying this?

The whole line looks like spew to me.
Haha exactly.
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01-07-2015 , 01:15 AM
Limp-call is meh, but i guess i'm okay with it. You're setting up a good stack-pot ratio for nut flush draws.

Your draw doesn't come in on the flop, you're facing aggression, fold.
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