I have QJ of clubs playing at Bally's in Atlantic City and call a small PF raise in late position and pick up the button, an Asian mid-20s guy who didn't talk much and who didn't play many hands. My impression was he knew what he was doing.

Three three of us see a AT9 rainbow flop and my double-gutted nut draw gets checked around. Debated on semi-bluff repping the Ace but I thought it possible someone had the Ace and at 1/2, people who pair their Ace don't fold very much and I was fine with a free card or being last to act if button bet.

Turn is King of Spades (two spades on board now) giving me broadway. Sweet!

I check, button bets $10 into the $18 pot and after the original raiser folds I make a check-raise to $45. He calls after a short pause.

River comes out and it's the Queen of spades putting three spades on the board and counterfitting my hand to a degree.

I debate check-calling here but I thought villain would check behind with many of the holdings that I beat but would also call a bet if it was the right size so I decided that was $25.

Villain immediately puts a stack of reds into the pot, raising me $75!

I am disgusted and feel that at best (for me) villain can do this with a King and we are chopping, or tragically, he had a suited Ace of spades and got there with the runner-runner nut flush.

I cannot fathom him doing it with anything I beat and people have always preached to me that calling a big bet in the hopes of a chop is usually a mistake.

Is this a crying call (what can I beat here? Did I play the hand in such a way that a thinking villain can bluff me on that board? Do I call for half the pot?) or a disgusted fold?

Sure would be nice to know stack sizes and what the exact amounts of the pot were (like OTF).... other than that I would just ship my imaginary stack.

I would fold against a lot of villains. I think betting the flop is good though.

I really hate the attempted blocking bet on the river. If he has the flush, he's raising, not calling. If he has the straight, he's splitting it with you by calling. Everything worse is folding. I think his betting range is wider than his raising range, so I'd check instead.

I am on my Treo so I canot quote effectively but to reply:

Stacks are the usual for 1/2 we each have around $300.

The PF raise was to 6 or 7 bucks, villain bet 10-12 into the pot that I raised to 45 and I bet 25 on the river before he raised another 75.

I didn't bet the flop because I did not want to get raised off my draw. I like to bet on the come but not with an Ace on board with more than one player in especially without position.

To venice10, you don't see villain calling a 1/4 size pot bet with two pairs? Also, what if I check to him and he makes a $100 PSB? The way I see it&m a check on a scary board makes it very easy for a thinking villain to make a big bet - am I always calling here or do I fold sometimes?

I hate checking that river and think it leads me to more trouble than betting out.

lol on betting 25 if he has a clue he can see thats such a weak bet and raise with air here hoping to induce a fold.

I always thought that a good value bet size is 1/4 to 1/3 of the pot, which I did after showing tremendous strength after check-raising the turn. What do you suggest? I still hate checking the river here.

If he really is bad, maybe. Your read is he knows what he is doing. If that's the case, he knows 2 pair is no good after you c/r the turn. You've got a set at least.

As for trouble, betting doesn't seem to have helped, does it?

take control of the hand and bet the flop
you'll know where youre at a lot better
i check here only to check raise the button if he cbets

I think this is a leak right here. A good value bet size is what is going to get you the most value out of your hand according to what you think villain will call. There is no magic number. Your bet more or less said please dont raise me IMO.

lol

stop trolling my posts
negreanus blogs say it
really bad poker players say it
its a context thing

OK OK OK.. Gimmick is up. This dude is saying some of the most ridiculous things to some of the better posters on here. we caught you!

Is this AlwaysTilting? Che?

i dont see what you did there
sorry youre mad?