V1 (CO) I've never seen him in here before, but he's discussing home games with a couple of the other regs so he's known in the player pool. He seems pretty decent. Currently sitting on a pretty big stack. He will raise pre and post flop. He maybe calls a little too much without thinking about position. He'll call a flop bet often. He looks like Joseph Cheong minus giant chip spews (so far) and he's wearing shades. Stack ~$700

V2 (EP) He's pretty bad. He's tightened up somewhat in the past hour. He was up and gave it all away and has now rebought. Hasn't really been doing anything other than limp calling and folding the flop. He looks like the old black dude from the Comcast commercials ("I'm trying to tell ya.") Stack ~$200


Hero- Rocking a pro America t-shirt. Really looking sharp tonight. Been relatively aggressive. Joseph has seen me make a donkey suck out and play pretty aggressively, although I've toned it down lately due to card deadedness. He probably sees me as competent if a little light post flop. Stack $750.

Preflop. One limp to Hero in MP makes it $15 with AT. Joseph calls. Grandpa calls.

Flop KK9 ($48)
Grandpa checks. Hero bets $25. Joseph calls. Grandpa folds.

Joseph's preflop calling range is very wide. We're very deep and he's looking to stack me. I'm not about to let that happen. Luckily, I didn't hit anything that would make me want to get stacks in. Grandpa also has a wide range. Either could have a K, but they'll let me know right away because they won't want to see a heart drop. I expect Joseph to call with hearts (possibly raise them), 9x, and PP's. Grandpa will be fit/fold.

Turn:
KK98 ($98)
Hero bets $75.

This is about as big of a brick as it gets. Now I believe that a double barrel will get him off of almost his entire range. If he unexpectedly called with a K on the flop, he'll certainly raise it now. I'm the only one of of us who can legitimately represent a monster unless he's got 99/88. So, I put out a healthy bet.

Looks like a spew, Spike. I'm sure your good looks not gonna make up for lack of cards here. Let Joseph and his $5 promenade shades take this one. Dark road your going down-for reference on this hand just look up Vincent vs jadaveon Clowney in 2013 outback bowl

I agree that this is pretty spewy. I think your sizing is questionable on both streets as well -- I'd be betting more on the flop to dissuade everything other than Kx from calling as I wouldn't be barreling, and while I wouldn't bet this turn I think $50-$60 accomplishes as much as $75 does.

So you're on the mindset, I'm gonna bet large and only get called by better? Essentially, defending my hand type deal. I understand at this point, you're bluffing to pick up dead money and to protect against FDs but I can't see this as a good spot this deep.

The cbet is folding out better hands too. Both villains as described can have a lot of speculative hands -- pocket pairs, T9, 98, which are better than our hands but which feel like they missed this flop. We fold out AJ and AQ as well.

So I like the cbet, but I think it needs to be larger because it's very bad if 98 says "well, it's only $25". No reason to bet the turn though because too much of his range is Kx that is never folding.

I think cbet is good, but as said, its too small. Then you're being spewy on the turn when you're against a range that's usually beating you. If you're initial thought was to barrel the flop and turn (with safe enough board), IMO its more cost effective to make a bigger cbet and know for sure that if you're called you're almost always shutting down.

Plus, it doesn't really make sense why you want to spend about 1/7 of your stack bluffing a guy who you think misplays position and calls a bit light, much less when you're out of position to him. If anything, IMO, you should be tightening up a bit in hands with him to attack the weaknesses you've identified instead of getting yourself in tricky situations where you might make a mistake.

I bet more on the flop, like $35, and obv the turn is not a standard barrel but I like your thought process and your turn sizing so I'm ok with it.

Why $35 on the flop? Well I think $35 is gonna get called by close to the same range as $25 (9x, FDs mostly), and that's a good thing because IF it's true that both these guys will fast play Kx on this board, then we WANT more money going in on the flop so we make even more money on our profitable turn barrel.

Really, in this spot, nobody can correctly call your turn barrel spew because of this read:

Because of that read, betting the turn is a MUST. The only question in this hand is how strong of a read is that?

Arent they still looking for his helmet? I think it traveled 50 million feet away from the stadium.

Grunch

I don't like it. I think you get called here by a lot of hands, all of which have a free pass the bluff the river if you check (being OOP to cheong). You are basically relying on both players believing that you have a big hand in order to get folds from them. What I mean by this is that your perceived range hasn't improved based on the board texture, and theirs hasn't weakened. The other guy you mention usually folds the flop. He has now over called after two players show interest, I think he's got something.

Flop sizing is fine imo. Dude is a competent reggy bro who you'll probably have to deal with in the future, so this is a spot where balance is a legitimate concern. I'm 1/2 potting with my whole range.

It's hard for us to evaluate the turn bet because you know so much more about his calling tendencies than we do. I think you can go more like $65 OTT and then triple most rivers, because people can get sticky on paired boards and his range is pretty capped when he flats twice. I would not bet turn if I wasn't planning to bet a bunch of rivers. c/f turn is fine too

mindless barreling usually at $1/2. If you bet the turn, $60 has same effect.

Why not just wait for a better spot? I think there is too much of an emphasis to win every pot by some players. I do not like c betting flops with two broad way cards out of position. This is one flop i would not c bet. Since you did I would probably go for a smaller half size bet on the turn. HE is not folding the turn even with your bet since he wants to stack you. A half size bet will make it easier for you to bluff the river if he just calls. As played you are going to do what on the river if he calls the turn bet?

Your reads and image would dictate giving up on this hand early. When guys are trying to stack me, especially if I am OOP i am not giving them a chance to take my chips on a bluff.

IDK I definitely don't see anything wrong w/ betting again as long as you plan to see it through and bet the river if he just calls again. I think most regs call a small flop bet pretty wide. If you bet and he doesn't raise there really isn't much he can call the river with, imo anyway.

Looks pretty spewy. Why bet the flop with 4 people in the hand? PPs aren't giving up on this flop and neither is 9x. What hands are you usually betting this flop with? I would be checking just about my entire value range here including any Kx that isn't AK/KQ.

If the first bolded part it true, why are you doing the second one?

To get two streets of value on turn and river. If another overcard comes and it checks through again we can usually get 9x and PPs to fold on turn too. They will often get stubborn after calling a flop bet and call down when overcards don't come.

AP I don't mind this turn bet. Decent guys are going to float with pos. and they're going to be on level I. I would just shut down and not get into a pot with Joseph but if you don't fold pf or c/f otf (both of which I prefer at 1/2) then this double barrel is ok imo.

Like it given dynamic described. In general people cbet too wide and don't barrel nearly enough and v competent post villain he is folding plenty that he value called/floated on flop. Obv not standard but good with Nitty image