Villian is a rec and has been on a heater since he sat down . He had pockets aces over kings In his First orbit At the table .He has since built his stack up from 200 too 500 within the hour. Villian is having a few drinks and here to have a good time on his Saturday night.

OTTH: (500 eff ) btn straddle villian limps. Hero in mp with 6♣️7♣️ raises to 15. Folds to villian who calls.

HU to the flop-5♣️8♦️10♥️
Villian bets 15 hero re raises to 35.
Villian 3 bets to 75.
Turn 4♠️. Vill raises 70. Hero tanks and makes it 150. Vilian calls.
River is the 5♥️. Villian has a slight smirk on his face and looks extremely comfortable and says all in for about 250. I ask him "will you at least show me if I fold" and he said no I will not in a polite calm demeanor. Hero then shows his hand face up . I begin to try to chat villian up and he still just shrugs his shoulders as if he doesn't care what hero does. The 3 bet on the flop immediately set alarm bells off. i would love to hear some feedback on what you guys would do In the hand.

Pot is about $480. Is he bluffing or value-cutting himself more than half of the time?

Keep in mind that your raise on the flop must have him confused. Based on his play, he likely has a strong holding but your straight draw (even though open ended) is very deceptive.
Your hand looks more like an over-pair to the board or maybe top two. Because of that he could be betting for value with a worse hand.

I think if he had a set, he would have gotten it in on the turn. Maybe the min raise slowed him down and he knew exactly where he was but it seems that your description doesn't paint him as a thinking player.

I think most people are shipping on the turn here. To many people board looks drawish and they would want to get it in here. Seems like a bluff or weaker value bet.

Lol pot odds.

You only have to be good here 25%* of the time. I would call. If there was a flush draw on the turn that would make me more inclined to believe that he doesn't have a boat here since his sets would probably GII OTT. Strange line for him to not raise when it's evident you have some sort of hand.

As played I would call river. Very read dependent, though.

EDIT: You only need 25%, 35% is wrong.

Lol pot odds.

It's 260 to win 740. We have to be right 26% of the time.

No wonder it's so easy to get people to fold in llsnl games.

You are correct. I counted the $480 as pot as including his $250 shove.
Lol.

No, the sickest river is holding quads Qs on a board where your opponent needs the J for a royal when the BBJ is 350K and the dealer turns over...

a black J...

of s.

As far as this hand goes, though, call.

Everyone seems to think this is a standard call on the river. What hands can villian have here to limp/3 bet flop/raise turn and ship river!?. I believe he thinks I have an over pair here the majority of the time. so what can he possibly 3 betting on the flop with? A10? I highly doubt he played ace 10 this way. The fish was playing ehh about 4/10 hands so he seemed to have a basic idea of how to play. A lot of limp calling but I just don't think he ever flop two pr given the board texture. Hero strongly believes he has flopped a set. I just can't ever see this guy making min raise semi bluffs. The min raise 3 bet on the flop screams I have a monster and I want you to call. Hero didn't ship turn for the sole reason of the river pairing. I felt like as long as the river did not pair all the $ was going to go in anyways. I think a lot of you guys are missing the point of this villian not being a reg. He is here on his Saturday night to play his OWN too cards and make a hand. I just can't see a fish like this making crazy plays.

Limp behind pre, call flop, raise more on turn

if V had 2 pair + on the turn, he would have pushed all in. He most likely has an overpair.

for a 3:1 price, this is a snap call

Villain's line throughout this hand screams flopped set, despite his calling (rather than GII) your turn raise (which is a very small raise, after you say you tanked, which would seem strange enough to slow him down a beat or two).

Rarely a bluff or weaker value bet. Recs on heaters don't like to spew away their profits this recklessly.

If he had top 2-pair and put you on an overpair, the river just counterfeited him, so rule that out.

Arguing that you should call because you only have to be good 25% of the time is lighting money on fire. Instead, you should fold *because* you are losing more than 75% of the time.

I think you need to think a little more about the way you think and why.

Oh, and call or fold, I would never show my hand.

Don't raise pf in MP with 76o, don't call 3bets on the flop with a draw, don't show your cards before showdown and don't try to chat up the villain in the middle of a hand.

If I made that many mistakes in a single hand, I'd call to punish myself so I'd remember to never do those things again.

I would have shoved the turn. Your min-raise there creates this spot.

If he's drinking and having fun, there is a chance he may be bluffing. I would probably call, albeit unhappily. I think he's got it. Hard to see him not having it. I'm generally not good enough to fold here.

I agree that the Villain is repping a strong hand but the Hero has a very disguised hand as well.

A typical casino recreational player would never see Hero playing a str8 draw like this. He must think that he has an overpair on the flop or two pair.

Villain could be making a value bet with a worse holding a decent percentage of the time.

I think that his turn bet was fine. No reason to move Villain off of weak holdings when he is almost drawing dead.

However, the turn bet is only fine if his plan is to stack off to any river.

hey guys thanks a lot for the feedback I really do appreciate it. I just felt that villian was going to call any river bet as long as the board didn't pair so it was pointless to jam the turn. Villian seems competent enough to think I have AA/KK here.

My question is for those who think villian is bluffing, what can he possibly have that got him to the river!? A rec player 3 betting the flop!? That screams I flopped a set. At least that's the way I see it.

I think we have had a bit of good discussion. Feel free to throw your results when the comments slow down. GL OP

Villain had quads.

Hero ends up folding. Villian mucks his hand. About an hour later villian cashes out and before he leaves I got up and asked the gentleman if I made a bad lay down. He was a bit drunk but seemed to be genuine when he said he was surprised that I folded because he had pocket 8's. Who knows maybe I was good...

I'm ok with raise pre although I think you can limp behind too. I hate the flop raise, no need to balance against fish. My entire range there against that villain would be for value. I also think your min raise on the turn is poorly sized. I would make it bigger here 200+ and maybe shoving once in a blue moon depending on dynamics, image and reads ofc.

River sucks, don't see him getting there with a naked 5 to value own himself. Also don't think he accidentally turned T8 into a bluff. Given his actions he has 88,55, 85s or the psycho J9. I wouldnt put myself in this spot but if I did I would make a very nitty fold and stack him later.

Talking to a villain during a hand is great. But don't use the unoriginal "will you show if I fold" - everyone knows that trick now even the fish. Doesn't get you much info. I find it's like staring someone down to get a read, they freeze up and try to give off nothing. I think you get more from quick glances or natural conversation to keep them in their natural state.