1/2 Should I be 4-betting smaller in a table full of fish?
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 307
Hero has about 400bbs covers everyone
Hero has been winning almost every single pot entered always showing down the near nuts but has bluffcaught one big pot with 99 on a Q-8-5-2-K board. Hero looks like he can not be fooled out of a pot. Seriously I was like playing my A+ game, with a huge run of cards, and running excellent.
Anyways, Hero is UTG+1 and opens to 10 with QQ folds around to button V1, a black guy with shades on that seems like he knows at least a little bit about preflop hand selection. V1 (250 bb deep) on the button raises to 31, SB a guy in his 40s cold calls 31 with only like 80 back (yeah that bad), BB folds to me.
I'm thinking okay V1 proboblly doesn't do it with complete garbage but he is Loose enough to do it with AQs+/JJ+. V2 in small blind almost never holds a premium just flatting like that.
Hero raises to $95 with the intention of Raise-folding. My question is do you think a raise of around $70 would accomplish pretty much the same thing?
Join Date: Jun 2012
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flatting is better than raise/folding
just raise/fold 81 if thats what the dummy has and u still want to raise fold
raise/ship is also and option if u think his 3! rang isnt nitty
Join Date: Jun 2013
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No its fine. A 3x 4bet defines his range better for the purpose of what you stated that you are trying to achieve.
Join Date: Dec 2013
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Raise is find but I wouldn't hate a flat in this spot. If you raise with the intention to fold to farther action why are you raising???
Join Date: Feb 2013
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I would probably flat here with the short stack involved since he very well could make this a multi-way pot and you are basically set mining in that spot. You have had a nice run of cards so don't drop your level down to theirs here by making a smaller raise.
Any raising should be larger as people will be drawn into the pot if short stack goes all-in and you cant raise again and they can see a priced in Flop.
You have a darn good hand here, but fish tend to go for revenge and generally the looser the table the tighter you need to play, regardless of your run of cards. I like the idea of letting B know you want a side pot started before the Flop and your 'awareness' that you may need to fold here if B 5-bets.
When short stack flats that makes me want to take him heads up and get rid of B ...
small raise<flatting<raising to make short stack all-in ... GL
Join Date: May 2009
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Flat pre, you're deep and narrowing your range oop.
It's also pretty gross to 4 bet bluff QQ.
If you're going to 4bet/fold I go 2.5x to like 78.
Join Date: Apr 2011
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This is a really interesting spot imo because of the shortstack. I think we need to flat here for deception to make any real money against V1 though. Just flatting makes your hand so underrepped, I love it and think we can make more money this way because IMO V1 is making more mistakes post flop if we don't 4bet.
Join Date: Dec 2006
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I do not think 70$ is the same as 90$ 4 betting. But I do like the idea of a smaller 4b with the shortstack in, he could decide to go with his hand at that point and then would be a great time to iso if you keep it small enough to keep betting open.