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1/2 - Shipped a 360BB pot w K7o, how bad am i? 1/2 - Shipped a 360BB pot w K7o, how bad am i?

01-20-2014 , 01:13 AM
1/2NL. 5am, 8 hours into session at table with same players for a while.

-SB Just lost a huge pot and is crippled, ready to go home asap
-Villian 1 is very new player, mid 20s, has been leading out and folding to flop raises a ton, typical newbie overvalues pairs etc.
-Villian 2 has decent history with me, late 20s. His view of me is very TAG, but i have got into a few pots with him in last couple hours, so seems to have a vendetta against me. type of LAG player who would call off a stack with any overpair despite flop texture. He's stuck $500ish at this point

My table image is that im quiet, solid/nitty player who hasnt shown down many hands, or lost many at showdown. Ive squeezed a few times in position but overall the table has been respecting my raises, except for V2 who haas made a point of playing back at me often.

6 handed

SB $17
BB (v1)$200
UTG(v2)$400
BTN (h)$350

v2 Straddles to $5. Hero raises to $15 w K7. SB shoves for $17, v1 Calls, v2 calls, Hero Calls.

Flop: KJ9

v1 bets $15, v2 calls, hero raises to $50. v1 folds, v2 thinks (looks at me intensely) and raises to $150 pretty quickly. Hero tanks one minute, and goes all in for $150 more ($330 total) v1 folds, v2 Snap-calls.

Turn: Q

River: 2

SB shows AJo no spade. v2 shows J3 and mucks. Hero show K7 and collects pot ($723)

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thoughts? My reasoning for the flop raise is that if i did this raise and v1 4bets i can consider folding.

When v2 raised, i figured he didnt have a hand of strength - against me he would have rasied any pairs or broadways from his straddle. I figured he was making a move with a weak holding like one pair or a number of drawing hands.


*I know there is a strong case for folding the K7 pf, but we were 6 handed and the SB was pretty much gonna put it in blind so thought i might be against him only.

Felt decent about the shove until he snap called me. honestly put him on a garbage jack or a drawing hand that i was ahead of.

Did i play this horribly?
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01-20-2014 , 01:31 AM
It's bad. V2's range is Q10 or combo draws almost 100%.

You're never getting better hands to fold.

It's a marginal spot even if he is playing face up. You can find better spots than this in 1/2.
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01-20-2014 , 01:42 AM
Pretty lucky some dude is putting 150bb in otf with MPTK. Whole thing seems like dumb luck.

A bit of a rarity, and obviously you were wrong with your read, as you said yourself you expected him to have raised you pre-flop with broadways.
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01-20-2014 , 01:48 AM
This hand is the equivalent of necking 15 tequilas and somehow finding your way home.
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01-20-2014 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by rooster804
It's bad. V2's range is Q10 or combo draws almost 100%.

You're never getting better hands to fold.

It's a marginal spot even if he is playing face up. You can find better spots than this in 1/2.
V's range isn't combo draws 100%. he's way more likely to c/r a combo draw than donk-lead 25% pot with it into 3 players. But most likely, he'll just c/c with all of his naked draws.

Because the board is so wet and its a 3-way pot, he will lead out a lot of his range that he wants to protect against drawing hands. Based on his sizing, I think he has some weak king or maybe a weak draw or pair + draw that doesn't want to call down big bets with. This is basically a "see where i'm at raise". He doesn't know wtf else to do with his marginal hand.

Especially since its 3-way and v2 called, you should fold. You're almost always either behind or behind vs their ranges - which are going to be better Kx, pair + draw, and naked draws.
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01-20-2014 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
V's range isn't combo draws 100%. he's way more likely to c/r a combo draw than donk-lead 25% pot with it into 3 players. But most likely, he'll just c/c with all of his naked draws.
Poster you quoted was talking about V2's range and you are talking about V1's range, at least I think.
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01-20-2014 , 02:01 AM
Oh, I mis-read the action.

Still, it doesn't change much. Villains calling range to your all-in will be Kx, naked draws, and pair + draw and you aren't doing well against that.
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01-20-2014 , 03:08 AM
This hand is all around bad. I hope the reason you posted it was for people to tell you it was bad, because that's the case.

Preflop: Why raise a trash hand if you know the straddler is going to play back at you a large percentage of the time?

Flop: Awful. The only reason this worked at all is because the guy was on some kind of weird tilt. You're throwing money away playing like this.
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01-20-2014 , 07:00 AM
Seems bad lucky for you villan played it worse.
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01-20-2014 , 07:34 AM
Pretty f-in bad. Above posters did a good job of explainingn why.
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