as expected... i'm an idiot. read the other responses and see my major flaw... i can't realistically take the implied odds of getting BOTH stacks... so you need the effective stacks to be over 300.

disregard my attempt at applying math.

Question: How many times the size of the call ($37) do the effective stacks need to be to setmine? The standard rule is usually between 15x to 25x.

But surely the number must be lower in this situation...since a 3-bet pot means stronger ranges (i.e. there's a decent chance the 3-bettor has an overpair and will commit if I flop a set). Also, the two callers to my right are both fairly spewy postflop based on my read.

So what's the number? 10x? 7x?

If it's 10x, then since I'm getting 4-1 immediate odds, effective stacks need to be 6*$37 = $222.

So not deep enough. If it's 7x, effective stacks need to be 3*37 = $111, so I would be deep enough to setmine.

well it can't be lower than 7.5 since that's the odds to hit the set on the flop. if you have exactly 7.5 then you have to ignore the possibility of a set losing (higher set, flush, straight) and you have to be 100% sure you can stack your opponent if you hit.

i agree you can lower your odds from the normal 15x - 25x (or whatever the rule may be) since with a 3-bet pot and these particular villain types you're more likely get stacks in if you hit.

Duh . My mistake lol. Right, it can't be lower than 7.5.

I guess maybe 10 or so is a good amount. Anyway, after further analysis I agree, my fold pre was correct.

$40 more means the final pot needs to be $400 (10x rule)
$400-$45-$45-$45=$265
So you need to win another $265 just to make this a break evenish play
Effective stacks are $190 after the hypothetical call
$265>$190
So fold.

Effective stacks are about $75 short against the 3 betting V using the 10 times rule, although i prefer the 15 times rule in general. But considering this is 1/2 and that there are 2 other likely weak players in the hand, I think going by the 10 times rules wouldn't be bad. But yeah, this is an obvious fold.

Btw, even if you had started the hand with the $305+ stack needed to make this call, you do realize that this call really wouldn't make you any money in the long run, right? Neutral EV (necessary drawing odds) are not +EV.

You are risking $45 to win $190 more? If you know a 5 is coming, just 4 bet bro....

did the villans go all in on the 8 5 3 flop? how did the hand finish even though you folded?

This is still wrong because you do not automatically win the pot when you flop a set, you merely have 91% equity. Yes it is a big difference. So 10x pot+IO would be a bare minimum in a perfect situation.

not sure if you're trolling me or if you only read the first half of the first sentence in my post....