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1/2 Rivered Wheel vs Potential Higher Straight 1/2 Rivered Wheel vs Potential Higher Straight

07-29-2013 , 03:06 PM
I've been playing in this game for about 2 hours now and am against a guy who I've been in several pots with. He has been caught bluffing several times now and has acted very titly at times.

Hero has AQ on the button

It's limped around to me where I bet $15 on the button. I get about 3 callers, main villian is 3 seats to the left of me.

Flop comes:

347

I c-bet $25 into a ~$60 pot (can't remember exact number of callers)

V1 folds, V2 tanks for about 5 seconds and then calls (definitely looked like he was torn on a decision) and the other(s) fold as well.

Turn comes:

5

V2 checks and I barrel out $35. I knew it was a small bet and I regretted it because he check-raised me another $60 which I couldn't see if he was sensing weakness or had just made his hand.

River comes:

2

I've made my wheel and he bets into me $90. Felt like a value bet and a bet designed to not miss value with a check behind. I tanked for like 5 minutes and eventually called. The only hand I could put him on for him to call on the flop AND make his hand on the turn was 66 or maybe A6 suited.

I've seen him make bets to steal pots on all 3 streets so I couldn't be sure if he was just trying to steal the pot or not. I was calling to chop at best.

How should I have played this differently?

Spoiler:
He had pocket 6s.
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07-29-2013 , 03:09 PM
I don't like the turn barell, you need to know what turn cards to barell and when to give up... T or higher and I'm barreling the turn.

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07-29-2013 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by playertee
I don't like the turn barell, you need to know what turn cards to barell and when to give up... T or higher and I'm barreling the turn.

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Thanks for the input. Can you expand on this a little more so I understand this concept? Is that because he tanked and I can put him on some sort of draw and any card within a 1-card gap of the 3 on the board could help his hand and a 10 or higher couldn't really help him?
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07-29-2013 , 03:18 PM
For future reference, please read the stickie on proper posting format.

Your write-ups of villains and positions are very confusing.
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07-29-2013 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Havax
Thanks for the input. Can you expand on this a little more so I understand this concept? Is that because he tanked and I can put him on some sort of draw and any card within a 1-card gap of the 3 on the board could help his hand and a 10 or higher couldn't really help him?
Ask yourself what range of hands calls you on this flop and how this turn card affects that range... All his draws either got there or at least has a pair and a SD which gives you very little FE... Whereas any high card seems to help your range vs his range and will very unlikely help his hand, and thus a turn barell will have better chances to succeed if the turn was a K for example.

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07-29-2013 , 03:24 PM
Entire hand is spew.

Check flop. Check turn. Fold. Jesus.

This is button clicking.
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07-29-2013 , 03:28 PM
Oh did u call a turn c/r?

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07-29-2013 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
Entire hand is spew.

Check flop. Check turn. Fold. Jesus.

This is button clicking.
So you'll never make a c-bet in this spot? You're checking the flop 100% of the time?
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07-29-2013 , 03:55 PM
Into at least 3 players? Yes, betting is spew.

And no offense, but you should be remembering exactly how many players call you. If you give vague information you'll get vague responses.
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07-29-2013 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
Entire hand is spew.

Check flop. Check turn. Fold. Jesus.

This is button clicking.
Well the pf raise is ok, but yes c-betting into 3 players is spew, especially when you know you're at a table with 3 players who call 6+ bb pf raise.

Where are the stack sizes?
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07-29-2013 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Havax
So you'll never make a c-bet in this spot? You're checking the flop 100% of the time?
C-betting less than half the pot into at least 3 other players is a bad idea, unless you want callers. Especially on a board like this, where any pair/draw is likely to call you. Your c-bet of $25 screams two high cards.

If you had an over pair you'd be betting much more than $25 on the flop. Your flop bet is so weak that I would have either floated you or simply C/raised you to take it down there (although I guess I never would have expected you to call a c/r on the turn with absolutely nothing).

Either bet much bigger on the flop $45-50 and try to rep a big pair or just check.



The turn bet is terrible. $35 in to a pot of $110??? Really?

When you acknowledged that the guy was torn on a decision on the flop, doesn't that scream pair and a gutshot to you? He's not calling with KQ. That 5 smashed his range. He either made trips, the straight, or hit two pair. By betting so small on the flop you kind of gave up repping a big hand. You might as well take the free river. $35 sure isn't going to accomplish anything except leading you to make worse decisions later in the hand (like calling a C/R on the turn with nothing and possibly (probably) no outs).

Last edited by ValueBluff; 07-29-2013 at 04:34 PM.
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07-30-2013 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
Entire hand is spew.

Check flop. Check turn. Fold. Jesus.

This is button clicking.
Button clicking is the perfect word for this hand.
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