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08-21-2013 , 02:00 PM
All in is the only logical bet, IMO.
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08-21-2013 , 02:36 PM
Zeebo's Theorem situation.

Always go all-in here. It looks like you are trying to push him off a chop. He insta-calls. He's so much more likely to have an ace than the 1st or 2nd nuts.
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08-21-2013 , 02:45 PM
You lose to exactly 2 combos, but can realistically expect a call from any A. SHIIIIPP ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.

I'm betting he had 45ss though over Quads
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08-21-2013 , 03:01 PM
all in. you are losing way too much value from any A that is guaranteed to call here.
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08-21-2013 , 03:12 PM
I was pretty much in the same thinking after the hand played out. How do I not re-raise to get added value to an ace? That thought definitely crossed my mind during the river.

However, I had a very disgusting feeling. The line felt like it was either Ax or the straight flush. I wasn't thinking quads because a check on that flop with a set is awful. My check with two pair I even realized was bad as stated.

In the end, the flop check and the absolutely sick river feeling saved me money this time. In the long run, it wouldn't, so the next time I am in this spot, I likely pop it every time. $125 was my number, but I just announced it as the weirdest call ever and he showed 45

WTF!?

He looked shocked, as did the table and dealer included. They looked at me like I was crazy, which I would have too. I figure he is a regular, since he kept saying he didn't understand how I don't go broke there. I think a recreational player just says "wow nice just call man" or something. They tend to be more generous in money lost, because they don't grasp that they know they should have won more. For the record, this player got up and left after the next hand, shaking his head. Hit & run?

I don't really get why I flat called, other than that really sick instinctive feeling. Maybe I felt like I am not getting more value with an ace because of those same possibilities I had to consider, and a river 3-bet maybe he is decent enough to lay an ace down.

Thanks for your opinions. Everyone that says raise, I agree with you. Definitely a fun hand with a weird outcome.
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08-21-2013 , 03:41 PM
obvious bbv in that it was posted b/c a raise is too obvious.
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08-21-2013 , 03:58 PM
Just calling on this river is sooooooo bad. Villain not shipping the river is sooooooooo bad.
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08-21-2013 , 04:12 PM
I knew it, pay up fish.
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08-21-2013 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JDK6390
For the record, this player got up and left after the next hand, shaking his head. Hit & run?

LOL... This is hilarious. He thinks you have a soul read on him now. He thinks you own his soul.

The next time you see him, look him right in the eye and give him the "I see you" hand signal... (i.e. two fingers pointing to your eyes, then to him).

Ah well...
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08-21-2013 , 04:30 PM
FWIW villain's raise otr is aids
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08-21-2013 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JDK6390
I was pretty much in the same thinking after the hand played out. How do I not re-raise to get added value to an ace? That thought definitely crossed my mind during the river.

However, I had a very disgusting feeling. The line felt like it was either Ax or the straight flush. I wasn't thinking quads because a check on that flop with a set is awful. My check with two pair I even realized was bad as stated.

In the end, the flop check and the absolutely sick river feeling saved me money this time. In the long run, it wouldn't, so the next time I am in this spot, I likely pop it every time. $125 was my number, but I just announced it as the weirdest call ever and he showed 45

WTF!?

Was this feelin a live s

He looked shocked, as did the table and dealer included. They looked at me like I was crazy, which I would have too. I figure he is a regular, since he kept saying he didn't understand how I don't go broke there. I think a recreational player just says "wow nice just call man" or something. They tend to be more generous in money lost, because they don't grasp that they know they should have won more. For the record, this player got up and left after the next hand, shaking his head. Hit & run?

I don't really get why I flat called, other than that really sick instinctive feeling. Maybe I felt like I am not getting more value with an ace because of those same possibilities I had to consider, and a river 3-bet maybe he is decent enough to lay an ace down.

Thanks for your opinions. Everyone that says raise, I agree with you. Definitely a fun hand with a weird outcome.
Was this sick feeling a live soul read? Only way it makes since.
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08-21-2013 , 05:13 PM
I will take credit for a soul read.
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08-21-2013 , 05:44 PM
Always (overbet) shove this river. The common villain in this situation is completely inelastic. The size of your bet matters little to most of his holdings. Thinking that you are attempting to scare him from a chop, he will call with any A.

When you have the virtual nuts, soul reads that are nervous of only 2 combos will kill the possible value that you must attempt to exploit.
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08-21-2013 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JDK6390
I will take credit for a soul read.
And Powerball winners who had a feeling they were going to win were obviously justified for their premonitions.
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08-21-2013 , 05:56 PM
FWIW+2

Just because you only called, and were actually correct, does not mean shipping wasn't the better play. One of the bigger mistakes I see here in the forums is actually caring about results.

Barring a lock soul read river is akways a ship. And if you had a lock soul read (which are similar to unicorns) then there is no point in posting.
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08-21-2013 , 06:09 PM
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Up the $250-ish in about 45 minutes and feel like it is one of those run-good sessions I could end up quadrupling up by session's end.
OP, try to be honest with yourself here...

Do you think your soul read might have simply been the fear of losing profit?
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08-21-2013 , 08:37 PM
I do think having a good profit helped make the just call, since I would have been up over $300 within an hour, which doubling your stack that quick is always nice.

Normally I play pretty fearless though, so I am not sure what finally led to just calling. It's just the "you can't lose what you don't put in the pot" philosophy I guess. It probably had some to do with my bankroll being low at the time of this hand. It has since become healthier, so any time a similar situation come up, I most certainly come back ovet the top.
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08-21-2013 , 08:43 PM
Jam and get called by Ax. Not raising BIG here is criminal.
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08-21-2013 , 10:34 PM
good bad beat story bro

you still played the river terribly

sometimes losing the most means you played the hand correctly
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08-21-2013 , 11:02 PM
raise big
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08-22-2013 , 02:42 AM
Villian probably played this hand worse than you
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08-22-2013 , 03:23 AM
He did say that he was supposed to raise more on the end, since I of course call anything he raises.
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08-22-2013 , 07:55 AM
I think people in llsnl biggest leak is their lack of ability to honestly evaluate their play. I would bet a finger that "normally I play fearlessly" is not reality, nor the way you're viewed at the table. When you say things like "it's nice to double up w/n an hour and I'm almost there which helped me make the just-call" that belies a heavy lack of fearlessness.

Fwiw, I do not play fearlessly. My leaks are all RoR based, but I know that.
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08-22-2013 , 06:28 PM
Poker is a very contradictive game. I really don't play with too much fear of losing money at this limit. I took a $1k hit in $2/$5 which is why I was low on my roll for this session, until I built it back up the next few.

I was saying that to admit maybe it had something to do with it. I'm not sure why I flat call there, which is why I did make this thread to see if it can be justified. It seems not, and the +EV play is to raise big and get any ace to pay me off. That's what I will do next time, and if I happen to be beat, then I am beat.
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08-23-2013 , 05:58 AM
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He did say that he was supposed to raise more on the end, since I of course call anything he raises.
Funny how both of you should have raised all-in but neither did.
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