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1/2 River shove too thin? 1/2 River shove too thin?

01-04-2015 , 06:08 AM
Villain: solid online pro (former pro?). I have no poker history, but I know him through a friend. Lives in a condo 3min walk from casino and I used to chill at his place after a few forays into live poker. Have sweated his 6max PLO sessions at 3/6 and 5/10. Not too sure about his NL game, but he seems to crush plo at his stakes.

Table: Just started. $1/$2, 10% rake capped at $10, $5/hr time-charge, $200 max buyin.

Hand begins at the 3rd hand of play after table has started, 6-handed. Fwiw villain and me have a whispered convo about how 6-handed suits us better than FR.

Villain (BTN): $200~
Hero (SB): $200~ dealt TT

Folded to MP who limps, Villain raises to $10, Hero raises to $25, folded to villain who snap calls.

Flop: (pot $54) A24

Hero bets $25, villain calls after thinking for a bit.

Turn: (pot $104) Q

Hero thinks for a while, bets $35. Villain calls fast.

River: (pot $174) 3

Hero has $115~ behind. Jam, c/f or c/c?

My thoughts: Preflop 3b is meh. I could flat to let MP limper in, but I'd rather not play TT multiway. Calling pre is fine since it's very early and I have no reads, but I wanted to establish an aggro image early on. Villain calling 3b imo doesn't make his range that strong/narrow. Just a hunch, but I personally believe he feels his post-flop edge is enough to call pretty wide (22+, 67s+?, unsuited broadways), also, my 3b size is alot smaller, widening his range as well.
Flop cb is also debatable, but I think villain folds 22-99 alot, and continues with 67cc+, Ax+ so it's probably profitable to cb. I would also cb this flop with almost 95%+ of my preflop 3b'ing range, and even tho balance is a very low priority in live play, I think it's useful against this thinking villain.
Turn bet is probably a mistake, I was planning to shove most rivers that weren't an A. Think I can make him fold some of his Ax with no clubs, not much else of what he continues with folds here though.
River is a fourth club, giving me 3rd nuts. I don't see villain having Kc or Jc alot, as it would mean he had to have floated flop with Kcx or Jcx, pretty much only AxKc or AxJc. Then again, what worse hands call? I think shoving or c/f'ing seems close, but I'm interested in what ya'll think.
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01-04-2015 , 03:03 PM
We have a $10 rake AND a time charge?
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01-04-2015 , 03:07 PM
I'd 3-bet more pre if that's the option we're taking...more like $35. We're OOP and an overcard is going to come on the flop pretty often. V is calling an extra $15 almost 100% of the time. By 3-betting, you're setting up an SPR where it's going to be difficult not to play for stacks. It's a higher variance line, but probably +EV in a 6-handed game.

As played, I'd either check the turn or bet more. The stacks are a little awkward. You could almost just shove the turn.

Jamming the river seems like the worst option. You're only going to get called if you're beat. Checking will allow him to bluff at the pot if he wants to.
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01-04-2015 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Nozsr
We have a $10 rake AND a time charge?
Yeah stopped after that. Wow.
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01-04-2015 , 03:24 PM
Check call river. You won't get value from anything worse.
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01-04-2015 , 04:06 PM
shoving and c/c are close. I don't think we're folding much here.
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01-04-2015 , 04:08 PM
So where are you never playing again? $10 and time? Hope they have a wonderful free buffet and massages. $200 max buy-in for these terms is pretty crazy as well.

PF 3-bet is a bit small OOP and just bloats pot at that size. You have position 'on a pro' in every hand except this one. Is he just button raising here or does it mean something? You may have no basis to go from but should know if he is a button 'defender' or not.

PF 3-bet narrows your range quite a bit I would think. Also no reason to 'want' to be HU here when you create a tough spot if called. But if I were to 3-bet I would go larger and pretty much shut down going into the Turn AP.

Turn bet is indifferent for me. Fine to bet out, it should tell him you definitely have something and perhaps a redraw. But with 'only' calling $15 PF he really could have a flush or better redraw. Doubt he would call Turn without 'something' besides the redraw.

I think we c/c the River to allow for a bigger range of hands he may think he's getting value from. If he shoves, then it's a tough call, but PLO players tend to bluff more at NL so you may want to look him up just to let him know that he better have something going forward. GL
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01-04-2015 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Nozsr
We have a $10 rake AND a time charge?
Wow thats what i was thinking. I play at Mohegan where its a 4 dollar max per hand. Thats not bad at all compared to this. Not sure what other casinos charge tho.

As for the hand i would either 3bet bigger or just call. Leaning towards just calling and set mining/playing a small pot (not sure how profitable that is). As played i think im checking with the flush draw on the turn as there are now 2 over cards on the board.

Open for people to tell me im wrong. Just trying to participate. But i feel like i would be playing this passively for some reason.
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01-04-2015 , 04:17 PM
:grunch:

Get up and walk out of the casino. That is absurd. I honestly stopped reading there.
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01-04-2015 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by idonkrivers
$1/$2, 10% rake capped at $10, $5/hr time-charge, $200 max buyin.
You're being brutally gouged. How bad do your opponents have to be so you can beat that game?

In BC Canada at 1/2 it's usually $5 max per hand, $300 max buy-in and no time charge.
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