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1/2 River Nut Flush Vs Readless Villain, optimal line when raised? 1/2 River Nut Flush Vs Readless Villain, optimal line when raised?

05-16-2014 , 10:45 AM
OK, so I'm playing a 1/2 game down at Foxwoods. Table to this point has been SUPER passive, literally like 2-3 orbits without a raise, everyone just content to limp it up.

HERO: Been playing TAG the entire session, shown down nothing but the best hands (boats, top two, etc). Chipped up nicely to about 1k. Mid 20s kid with a hoodie on.
VILLAIN: Literally just sat down and posted BB in MP. Young asian kid who bought in for close to 300 with a black and a bunch of greens. Was always keeping his hands in front of his chips (I think he was trying to bamboozle someone in a big pot) which made me think he might be a tricky/angle shooter kind of player.

Effective stacks 300

3 limps including villain, hero limps the SB with A5, BB checks.

FLOP($10): K33
Hero checks, BB checks, EP checks, Villain bets $5, BTN folds, Hero calls $5, 2 folds.

TURN($20): K3310
Hero checks, Villain bets $5, Hero calls.

RIVER($30): K33106
Hero bets $15, Villain raises to $40, Hero?

All thoughts welcome on all streets. Thanks guys
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05-16-2014 , 01:37 PM
Call.

What happens if you raise and he raises over top of you? You have to give him credit for the boat... Granted he could be doing that with any 3 but readless it's a tough spot to be in.

Besides, if he is any good, raising never gets called by worse. If you find out he's a station later, then adjust accordingly
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05-16-2014 , 02:29 PM
Without a strong read on villain, just call. If you 3 bet most villains with a 3X or small flush are going to realize they are no good. A decent or mubsy one may even get away from a queen high flush.

With a better read on villain's range and how weak they will call, this could be a reraise. There are a few super nits that I could even fold against when they raise river. Knowing what the same size bet on turn means is the key here, for some it is always a smaller flush draw, for others it means they already have a boat and don't want you to fold.
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05-16-2014 , 03:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warren G
Don't go broke in a limped pot on a paired board.
This





Quote:
Originally Posted by QuadJ
Without a strong read on villain, just call.
And this.
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05-16-2014 , 03:57 PM
There shouldn't be too many boats your opponent can have, a lot of his holdings such as K3/T3/66 should be somewhat unlikely consider pre-flop overlimp (T3/K3/KK/TT) or betting both flop/turn multiway (66).

I would have raised the flop or the turn - strong Kx shouldn't be in your opponents range either and there should be few 3x too. I think more often than not, you're opponent has another flush draw or a middling two-pair. I think we have fold equity vs. some two-pairs and if called when we pop flop/turn we can continue to barrel throughout the hand, I think we have good equity vs. two pair if he gets sticky too.

As played on the river I would either have check-raised or bet larger yourself when you led out. Considering you're now facing a raise, I think it's somewhat close between calling and raising. For all you know your opponent could be a clueless pit game player (hence the $5 bet on each street and buying into a 1/2 game with black/green).
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05-16-2014 , 04:12 PM
Well said

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05-16-2014 , 06:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahutz
There shouldn't be too many boats your opponent can have, a lot of his holdings such as K3/T3/66 should be somewhat unlikely consider pre-flop overlimp (T3/K3/KK/TT) or betting both flop/turn multiway (66).
I completely disagree with this. You think Vs at 1/2 dont overlimp with KK, TT, 66, 33, K3s, 63o??? Because I've played enough cards to say that I've seen people overlimp with ALL of these hands, including KK. Id actually say a majority of LLSNL players overlimp 66 and 33, because a majority of LLSNL players aren't very good. We know absolutely nothing about V, like you said, he could be a pit player and have little idea what he's doing, which skews him over limping with more hands that beat us, not less.

I hope OP saw a showdown because I really am curious as to Vs holdings
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05-16-2014 , 06:15 PM
I guess I'm the minority here. I like the lead and I'm r/f'ing at this point. Don't you think V raises to $40 with every flush he can have? I don't want to forego value against other flushes. If V has a boat, depending on how strong of a boat, he might not even raise after we lead/3-bet. If he does raise you know it's not just a boat, it's a high boat, and you can easily fold then. I don't think V would raise/4-bet a non nut flush or turn his small flush into a bluff, he'll make a crying call. I'd make it 100-110.
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05-18-2014 , 10:40 AM
Thanks for the responses guys. Villain ended up turning over 35o and left me wanting more value. I just felt fairly nitty after just calling on the river. Did not have the stones to make the 3bet
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