Hero: $200, new to the table this is my first orbit.

Villain: $300, early 30s, backwards cap, hoodie, headphones. I have already raised his limp 3 times already. Has shown passive tendencies.

Preflop: 6-handed. villain straddles to $5, hero raises to $15 utg, with TT, mp calls, villain calls.

Flop: ($45) 272 villain checks, hero bets $25, mp folds, villain looks very suspicious and after some time calls.

Turn: Q villain checks, hero checks. (Hoping to get one more street of value on the river)

River: 7 Villain bets $50...?

I wasn't expecting this, I thought he was keeping me honest with A-high or a small pair. I doubt he's capable of turning a showdownable hand into a bluff, i honestly think he would check a Q and hope for showdown. It just seems criminal to fold TT here, thoughts?

UTG and being OOP you need to make this $20 preflop.

The only thing you really beat here is a busted flush draw, even though your getting an alright price I lay this down and wait for a better spot. You say villain shows passive tendencies so what makes you think he is capable of betting out here with air.

I'd raise more pre. $20-$25.

I'd bet more post, especially into 2 other players. Probably $35-$40 into multiple players.

I think we have to bet turn. We can fold to a raise, and if he calls and then leads river we can pretty safely assume we're beat since we've shown strength the whole hand.

As played I feel lost on the river. We're getting right around 2:1 so need to be right 33% of the time. We only beat bluffs. I just really don't think many villains are value betting smaller pocket pairs that we beat. I probably fold.

Edit: Put the value of the pot on turn and river. Pot is 45 + the 25 from each after flop bet so there's 95 out there so we're actually getting 3:1. That makes it closer. idk probably still folding if we call we're kinda praying he has clubs.

I think a fold is in order. We beat nothing, and I can't imagine villain betting the river with a busted flush or anything else we beat.

With the $5 straddle making this a 40bb game, I might just overlimp with plans of shoving if raised (especially at raisey tables). Otherwise, I raise to $20+ which sets up an easier SPR of ~4 to simply pot/shove safe flops.

We've got an overpair in a < 4 SPR pot. I wish I hadda committed more preflop and got this HU, but anyhoo, I feel fairly committed here. I pot the flop so I can shove the turn.

As played, we've now only built a $95 pot with $160 left, so at this point I think I would take the more conservative route and check behind in order to get one more street of value on the river. The Q is going to scare away a lot of hands so I doubt we're getting two more streets against many hands.

Not a great river card but I still call. Odds are decent and there's busted draws as well as many other hands that could just be betting cuz they have no idea what else to do (or setting their price).

The thing I don't like about this hand overall is that it doesn't seem (at least to me) that we had a real plan for the hand preflop/flop. We're playing effectively 40bbs with a biggish pocket pair that's flopped an overpair, so I think that plan should be to get all the chips as soon as possible.

ETA: I'm not as keen at folding the river as others. First, one of the reasons we checked behind on the turn was to get one more street of value (either by bluffcatching or value betting) on the river; now we're changing our mind just cuz a meh card came? Second, there's a busted draw. Third, the dude is a 30 year old in a hoodie, backwards cap and headphones; even though he's shown passive tendencies so far I'm not sure I totally buy that he's incapable of doing something stupid / out-of-line on the river.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Grunch:

Not criminal- folding TT on this river.
Criminal- pretty much the rest of the hand.

Preflop- I don't know the dynamics buuuuut...
3bb is too small to raise in this spot.
Flop- perfect flop. Why bet so small?
Turn- I'm actually ok with this check, although firing has its merits. I'm on the fence in it.
River- it seems fairly obvious the man hit a boat. Fold time.

GG did a good job explaining why the mistake was preflop. A couple extra chips out there before the flop changes every decision point thereafter.

I am betting $45 on the turn and folding to all future aggression.

Villian's range includes low pp's, any 2 clubs, any seven, any 2, and air that he is floating with ( it is a well known fact that people love to defend a straddle )

By checking behind on the turn you put yourself in this exact spot.

I would always double barrel this. The amount doesn't matter very much, but you have so much more information plus, can usuually get a showdown this way. We also gain much more information about his hand if he calls turn and leads river.

The line we took induces a bluff on river, which we don't want with this hand.

As played, fold.

Edit: Let me clarify: I like double barreling if the flop bet was small. It makes our hand much scarier (bluff or no bluff) if we are firing 2 streets of 1/2 PSB's. It's a line I use a lot with TPGK or complete air, and I always fold to any aggression. I am not against a PSB on flop followed by a shove on any turn card either though, with this hand... Either line works for me.

I know this isn t the standard thinking...

Prolly betting really small on the flop and really small again on the turn... If he just calls twice its likely either a 7 or a lower pocket than 10's ... If he still bombs river then u can fold knowing it was prob a 7 all along (tht improved) Otherwise if he checks again bet for thin value or just ck it behind...

As played i am still calling but not very happy about it cause we are pretty in the dark due to our bets and cks

So guys, are you trying to say that a guy who has been generally passive so far is going to bluff smaller pairs/busted clubs 25% of the time? I really have a hard time buying that. Add to that the 1/2 pot sizing and it just doesn't seem all that likely This feels a lot like a better hand saying, "Look, it's 3:1. How can you fold?"

Easy fold. Next hand

Fairly easy fold. The suspicious look usually means that the villain has hit a pair on a low board and is unsure if you're betting with an overpair or just air.

Spike, i totally agree with you that this is a 7 here... it just stinks that hero did nothing during the course of the hand to actually get vill to tip us to this conclusion...

Didnt really hate the bet sizing pre, but I would prefer make it $20.

He has you beat. He is check calling an Ace as played. I really like betting the turn to charge and checking behind the river alot.

open more pre: ~$20ish

bet the turn !!!

As played, fold ...

As played, easy fold on the river.

Bet the turn, check back the river. Turn bets are generally more likely to get looked up with worse than river bets. Two reasons: 1) V's hope that their 2nd best *might* get there and 2) lots of scary river cards give V more of a reason to fold.