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06-19-2013 , 01:50 PM
This is the second orbit at a new 1/2 table so not too much info. The table has been more agro then most 1/2s as there was a raise 7 hands in the first orbit, 2 limped hands, and one chop.

V is in the sb for this hand and has $90. She is a middle aged asain female who has been willing to see flops and stick around till the turn but hasn't shown dow yet.

Hero is an early 20's white male who is not currently wearing a hoodie or headphones. I raised 3 out the 15 hands so far once showing down TP and the rest ending before showdown.

2 limpers to hero in the HJ with AJo, and I raise to 12. V calls in the sb and the first limper calls. 3 way to flop/

Pot: 35 after rake
Flop AK4
Checks to hero, I bet 15 to get value from Ks and weaker As. V calls and the turn comes out

Turn 2pls
Pot: 65
Board: AK410
Check to hero who bets 45, I want to continue to get value from lesser As, Ks that now how a gut shot, and any stupid backdoor straight/flush hands.

River 2pls
Pot: 135
Board:AK4 10 K
V shoves for only 28 more, hero?
Any of the Ks with gutshots are now ahead of me, there are also a few combos of backdoor draws that have hit. I don't thinkV was slow paying JQ, she prob would have c/shoved that on the tur. So I'm getting just under 7 to one on a call here against a V who hasn't shown down yet.

So are we folding here ever? And would anyone shove turn against a V with this stacksize?

Last edited by ZephyrSpy; 06-19-2013 at 02:08 PM.
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06-19-2013 , 01:54 PM
Action is unclear at turn. Are we still 3way?

If we are HU with the asian lady, then villain would have something like $63 left with a pot of $65 so shove is fine at turn.
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06-19-2013 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by xxMaquiladoraxx
Action is unclear at turn. Are we still 3way?

If we are HU with the asian lady, then villain would have something like $63 left with a pot of $65 so shove is fine at turn.
Agree with this, get it in on the turn if it's HU. You can't really fold this river now can you?
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06-19-2013 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Thew01f
You can't really fold this river now can you?
Obviously not, sometimes she has 2pr.
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06-19-2013 , 02:04 PM
On the flop the pot is $36 and the Villain only has $78 left. For now I'll kinda ignore the other opponent and our effective stack size vs him, but against the main loose Villain willing to see flops and an SPR of ~2 with TP, we're committed. I'd bet like $25 or whatever on the flop and then shove the turn.

I don't think we should be drawing small SPR hands out over 3 postflop streets unless they are super strong, board ain't drawy and we only have like ~1 PSB left.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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06-19-2013 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
On the flop the pot is $36 and the Villain only has $78 left. For now I'll kinda ignore the other opponent and our effective stack size vs him, but against the main loose Villain willing to see flops and an SPR of ~2 with TP, we're committed. I'd bet like $25 or whatever on the flop and then shove the turn.

I don't think we should be drawing small SPR hands out over 3 postflop streets unless they are super strong, board ain't drawy and we only have like ~1 PSB left.

GcluelessNLnoobG
Sorry I wasn't clear 3 players on flop, 2 on turn.

Other V on the flop had a 100bb stack to start the hand

And sorry for the bad formatting, I'm writing this at work.
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06-19-2013 , 02:15 PM
The overall gist of the hand is pretty simple and straightforward.

However, there are obvious bet sizing leaks. Flop bet is too small, turn shove with basically a PSB is mandatory, unless you would like to explain alternate reasoning for the goofy sizing you used on either street?
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06-19-2013 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TAOxEaglex
The overall gist of the hand is pretty simple and straightforward.

However, there are obvious bet sizing leaks. Flop bet is too small, turn shove with basically a PSB is mandatory, unless you would like to explain alternate reasoning for the goofy sizing you used on either street?
I wanted Kx to come along so I made flop small. I should probably never be betting under 1/2 pot on the flop for value though. Turn sizing was bad.
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06-19-2013 , 02:59 PM
Shove turn
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06-19-2013 , 03:03 PM
Bet 20 on the flop and shove turn

Once V is the only caller you need to just shove the turn
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06-19-2013 , 03:11 PM
Just adding... one reason your flop bet should be larger (in addition to getting more value) is so that your turn bet can be more reasonable. I like to make my flop bet big enough so that turn bet is no more than 4/5th pot, assuming your flop bet would still be no more than 4/5th pot.

I can actually understand the reasoning to keep your flop bet small (want to get paid by a K), but I think the "want a reasonable turn bet" reasoning outweighs that.
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