Situation: 1/2 6-handed game due to COVID, match the stack

V ($900): 50ish WG reg, somewhat passive rock.

Hero ($825): 30ish WG, aggressive table image as seem to be the only one adjusting to 6 handed play. About an hour ago, I cold 4-bet jammed AA pre for $225 and V (initial raiser) called me with QQ and sucked out.

OTTH: V limps UTG, CO limps, Hero raises AJ OTB, only V calls.

Flop ($30): 863. V checks, Hero bets $20, V calls.

Turn ($70): 863 7. V checks, Hero bets $40, V raises to $95, hero calls. In retrospect, I hate my turn bet even though it felt obligatory when I picked up additional equity because the card just helps almost his entire flop calling range. Thoughts?


Knowing this player, his turn raise is always 2pair+ and heavily weighted towards sets/straigts. Also, before we see a river, what is our plan across blanks, diamonds, and spades and does it matter if board pairs?

River ($260): 863 7 3 V checks.

Hero??

I would bet $25 otf. AP, using the sizing you did, I would probably x the turn. If I bet, I'd go smaller. Using $25 otf, I would definitely bet turn. I'm obviously calling the turn raise.

What is our plan across blank rivers? X back, or fold if he bets. I would fold if an A or J came and he bet. If an A or a J comes and he x, then I would bet small, like $85.

On this river I would bet $200 to target 2p and straights.

Crappy situation but I really want to check back on the river. The reason being his preflop play should really limit his straights/two pair. A rock isn't limp/calling UTG with 54 or T9o. His range is really 88/66 heavy, with some chance of T9s/87s/76s. The river pairing the board will scare the two pair off a big bet so there isn't much value to be made and this sort of villain can easily be waiting to check/raise again with a boat. If you think he has a good number of two pair then a small bet/fold also works.

On the turn hero is mostly taking the good odds to chase a flush. This sort of villain has a pretty good hand when he check/raises small so you can't really plan to bluff river. The board pairing is bad but the 3 is obviously the best one, it can't help his two pair hands. If the river is a 8/7/6 I would just give up but on a 3 a small bet/fold is OK in some situations. If it was another spade I would go $150/$175 depending on what I think he calls with a set/straight.

This looks like 78 or 910 of diamonds (or even 45 diamonds) to me. A set is likely to be more aggressive on the flop, no? On the river, I like a bet of $150 and fold if V jams. I think it's fairly unlikely V has a boat and thus much more likely he has two pair or straight - Need to bet for value but also be able to get away from hand if V goes AI.

V gets to the river with 7-10 boat+ combos (don't know how often this V peels flop w/ 77), 6 straight combos, and 2-4 lower flush combos. Highly doubt any significant bet is getting called by 2p. If we're confident we're never getting bluff raised, I think we can b/f for thin value here, but it's pretty marginal.

From how the hand was played and combos, my guess is V is weighed equally towards straights and sets. A passive "rock" would probably want to raise flop to deny equity to flush draws. This line is consistent with 54 or T9dd (also weirdly played overpair). I am perplexed by the sizing though. If he had a value hand, he isn't charging you nearly enough. So maybe a "lemme see where I'm at" raise with JJ/QQ. It makes no sense any way you look at it though. Suffice it to say he has all these hands.

Given his range of OPs, straights, 2p and sets, I think this a pretty clear bet for value around $90-$120 and a clear fold to a raise. I think you have to go for value against his 87/straights and OPs (and rare lower flushes) and occasionally own yourself.

Checking back river is not an option. Bet 2/3ish and fold to a raise

Bomb river all day. $200 for me. Checkback would be horrid.

I think the turn is too thin for a bet. He’s probably opening over pairs pre, and 99 improved even more.

Based on the descript, by the river I’d range him more toward 6 combos of 88/66, 3 combos of 87s, and 1 combo of T9dd. Seems pretty thin for value, maybe calling 1 losing combo, perhaps another of 87s?

I'd lean $60-65/fold.

As far as an unimproved river, I’d mostly X back, but might bluff a paired board if indeed the V has a fold button.

River is always a bet/fold. A passive rock double check raising including the river. Yeah. You fold. Not sure why you’re double barreling on a bird that smacks villains range though. I’d check behind turn.

Wtf were the sizings being used where you can cold 4 bet to 112 big blinds?

Turn is clearly a good card for your opponent’s range. That gives him a ton of two pairs, pair + straight draw, straights, etc. You should really limit your turn barrels to the most pristine draws in your range (notably ones with a 9 or T in it to go along with your flush outs).

As for plan facing a raise, you’re practically getting the right price to chase based on immediate odds alone. So I’m calling and not putting a cent in there unless I hit a spade or something like a 5 or 9 hits and I may be able to bomb him off two pair.

Bet 125-150 and fold to a raise. He’s playing this like he has a hand like 87 or T9 that hates the third spade and low board pair, and since most live low stakes fish might as well turn their cards face up on the river with how transparently they play, you can feel confident that it’s exactly what he has until proven otherwise.

Since the river is so bad for the relative hand values of hands he check raises turn with, we probably can’t be bombing against this player type because I can see him laying down 87 to like 220.

Edit: really guys, how many “passive rocks” are sophisticated enough to play a check raise on the river with a full house? These guys will donk total blanks on the river that give them some random strong hand because they’re so terrified of losing action (and not unjustifiably so because people will check behind shockingly strong hands; heck we even have people in here who are reluctant to bet the nut flush!). You think this guy is thinking about how to masterfully manipulate the situation so that OP commits 1 bet with bricked draws and 2 with his flushes instead of betting himself and getting OP to fold bricked draws and only call with flushes? No, if he has strong hand, he bets, because hurpy durpy doo. This is true until proven otherwise.

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I think open was to $12, 3bet to $40, and since all involved in hand had <$250, jam seemed like only play. Not all that unusual at low stakes.

I guess that’s true. Like when they 3 bet they never fold right?


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$175-225/f seems good

Believe this hand was on the CLP call-in yesterday, 6/22?

Lol now that you mention it, I notice

Yup it was. I was surprised Bart advocated for a big sizing. I’d figure a dude described as a “passive rock” would be reluctant to call an overbet with a straight.


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My thoughts exactly.

Grunch: V should have a lot of calling hands. Go for good value with B/F $180-200. V doesn’t sound like the guy who’s got a c/r bluff in his arsenal.