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05-30-2014 , 06:43 PM
Hey guys!

table opened up maybe an hour ago. filled with tournament bust outs and some sticky villians.

Hero/UTG(250) Young 20s white male, has been fairly snug and bringing in the few hands played for a raise.

Villian/MP(250) 30s white butch woman drinking a beer. Tournament bust out and has rec player written all over her. Have seen her limp/call alot and call two streets with bottom pair. Has been playing alot of hands, May have only 3b once prior (damn memory)

HERO opens AQ for 8

Folds to V who 3b 24

Trivial fold?

Can we peel?

I feel like recently my AQ has been getting 3bet alot and im looking for a default line.
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05-30-2014 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by de4df1sh
Hey guys!

table opened up maybe an hour ago. filled with tournament bust outs and some sticky villians.

Hero/UTG(250) Young 20s white male, has been fairly snug and bringing in the few hands played for a raise.

Villian/MP(250) 30s white butch woman drinking a beer. Tournament bust out and has rec player written all over her. Have seen her limp/call alot and call two streets with bottom pair. Has been playing alot of hands, May have only 3b once prior (damn memory)
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Originally Posted by de4df1sh
Hey guys!

table opened up maybe an hour ago. filled with tournament bust outs and some sticky villians.

Hero/BB(250) Young 20s white male, has been pretty snug and won a few small pots with no showdowns.

Villian/BTN(250) 30s white butch woman drinking a beer. Tournament bust out and has rec player written all over her. Have seen her limp/call alot and call two streets with bottom pair.
It sure has been reoccurring.

When you are UTG and a passive player 3bets you, AQs can go in the muck immediately. Unless the flop comes AAQ or KJT, there's no board you're going to like if you call.

Personally, I think you should be considering a table change if she's giving you this much trouble.
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05-30-2014 , 07:47 PM
Trivial fold in this situation. AQs is just weak and RIO against the typical passive villain's 3 betting range, your facing something like AK/AQs/JJ+. Playing it OOP just makes it worse, you make less when winning and lose more when behind.

Villain has to be 3 betting a lot before I'm holding on to AQs.
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05-30-2014 , 08:30 PM
Getting 2:1 @ 125 BB's deep against a described "rec player that calls two streets with bottom pair" AKA overvalues her hand I am calling to try and smash a flop. Folding seems way too nitty here.
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05-30-2014 , 08:52 PM
You say you're looking for a default line with AQ in early position. OK, fold.

Doing something other than folding should be for specific, and good, reasons. For example, there's a total maniac in late position who raises several Limper's every time with ATC. Then he 3 barrel bluffs as long as nobody plays back against him. Here you could limp and call him down. Or example 2, the table is extremely loose passive. Players call a raise with anything they would limp with, and nobody at the table is making any kind of aggressive moves postflop. Here you could raise, and value bet top pair boards.

But default for AQ early... Fold
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05-30-2014 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by IceWater
You say you're looking for a default line with AQ in early position. OK, fold.

Doing something other than folding should be for specific, and good, reasons. For example, there's a total maniac in late position who raises several Limper's every time with ATC. Then he 3 barrel bluffs as long as nobody plays back against him. Here you could limp and call him down. Or example 2, the table is extremely loose passive. Players call a raise with anything they would limp with, and nobody at the table is making any kind of aggressive moves postflop. Here you could raise, and value bet top pair boards.

But default for AQ early... Fold
+1
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05-30-2014 , 09:12 PM
Trivial snap fold w AQ when 3 bet by typical passive players.

But folding AQ, especially suited, in EP in an unopened pot seems pretty nitty to me. At a limpy table, you could limp with it and play for flush value.

I'm usually opening to a number that isn't likely to get me more than a caller or two. $15 or $16 is typical at 1/2 with effective stacks of $250 or more. I am likely ahead, and have initiative, but it's not a hand I'm looking to go crazy with if I get one pair.

You have to be careful with commitment issues, and players who might not have 3bet hands that have you crushed. But it is a decent hand that is certainly ahead of the range of most callers.

AJo I can feel fine about dumping in EP, but AQs I'm going to try to play.
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05-31-2014 , 07:12 AM
I'm ok folding or playing this. I've folded AQ UTG more than once and wasn't sorry, but sometimes it's worth playing.

Your raise, however, is just too small. Raising 4x utg is asking for a 5-way flop, or a 3!, neither of which are great.
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05-31-2014 , 07:21 AM
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I'm ok folding or playing this. I've folded AQ UTG more than once and wasn't sorry, but sometimes it's worth playing.

Your raise, however, is just too small. Raising 4x utg is asking for a 5-way flop, or a 3!, neither of which are great.
Yeah, I'd be 3-betting you pretty wide here. $8 or 4x is pretty much just a pot sweetener for the most part ... Yes, some players open to that with big hands, too, but until I see it, I figure this is a pot builder and 3-bet a ton.
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05-31-2014 , 08:44 AM
If she's been limp calling a ton, and probably not 3 betting often, this probably isn't a wide 3bet. Therefore, her range is (in my game) AK, QQ+. It's supposed to be a fold, but I'd call and look to outplay her postflop, if only because a lot of players don't cbet big enough or often enough. That being said, this is the bottom of my calling range and I'm folding to any flop I don't smash that she cbets more than half pot.

Also, 8 isn't enough pre. I go 12 min + 2 per limper. Maybe 10 if that's the established standard raise and it's unopened.
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05-31-2014 , 09:48 AM
I can't think of a table where folding AQ preflop, in ANY position can be even close to standard. However to a 3 bet, definitely easy to get away from.

Depending on the opponent, sometimes AK is no good, or just not worth the headache.

To answer OP's question. You shouldnt have a default line. Facing a 3bet from a tighter player can be a fold. From a looser player a call. From a tighter player who just 3 bet you because you raised 2 times in each of the past few orbits, it could be a call. Consider your image and the other persons image. If u havent been getting out of line, I'd def say this particular hand is a trivial fold.
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