^ Thanks. Why do you think $20 or $160 are better than $80?

I don’t really bluff much OTR so an overbet allin would make him fold even KK imo.

The argument would be that he calls 80 and 160 at a very similar rate. You've either got an A or you don't, and you hope that he interprets the large sizing as a bluff.

20 - he knows he's beat, but you've made it cheap enough to satisfy his curiosity.

So there's 1 combo that beats you... if villain even has 0.3 combos of bluffs/spazzes here then you're good.

You can never be 100% sure that villain never spazzes at 1/2 live. And even if you're 95% sure that he never spazzes, there's still enough uncertainty to pay him off here.

Your stack is always going in on the river.

I spoke to him later and he said he would never check/shove worse than AA in that spot.

4 other reg friends also agreed they would never check/shove worse than AA in that spot.

But I'll live in the belief that in 2017, regs who never bluff river for all their chips when their opponents range is uncapped can/will bluff-shove other combos in this spot and be happy about my call.

I would hope they wouldn't try to check shove you with 5 aces.

I also don't believe that seeing a lag, they don't shove KK in that spot.

Obv meant Ax. And I never said I’m LAG.

No, but you said:


Which means that you might have thought you were playing TAG, but I am guessing he would have viewed you as LAG and opening really lose.

And then you changed information all the way through your hand. Instead of shoving to put pressure on a player who he likely viewed as having an incredibly wide range, he minraised you with his 160 stack size (which is a world of difference between a min raise shove and a 120 bb shove)

Yeah, in the actual situation, he probably has more KhQh than the 300 shove. I am not saying people always river bluff, but he is much more likely to have a KK/QQ not believing your story range with the shove (bear in mind, I am only giving him the combinations that include the Kh and Qh) than a min raise that is almost never getting a fold here.

In that situation where you are minraised, you sigh call and hope he misclicked a button. But expect to be beaten most of the time.

I forgot to add - the people I play with are just never checking river with KK/QQ there, they're betting out for value because they're afraid I'll check back.

This is actually the best poast I have read in this thread. Most people suck at this.

I am sure every one here has read a million threads where the op says something silly like: v1 is a really sick lag...he open limps from the HJ and a solid pro is next to act

uhhhh oh kay.

This aspect of poker is what separates the big boy w/rs from the rest o the population.

Having incomplete information and being able to put these pieces together and make sense of them takes A LOT of discipline and focus. If you are dicking around on your phone for 10 seconds and miss who raised or a part of the action you are liable to get the story wrong...and garbage in = garbage out

I have played hands with so called professionals who do not even know the preflop action in the hands that they were heavily involved in...how can they pdooibly have any reads at all??

The way to get better at reads is to be 100% focused and mot miss a single thing. This is a tough task to master cuz most do not have that attention span nor are they willing to do that kind of work

But from that perspective, betting is really stupid. What's calling a worse bet there? J/10 might be the one hand they get value from, the rest fold and A or better is reraising. Targeting a single potential hand to get value from seems dubious at best. When they say they are afraid you are checking back, what hand do they think you are holding that you are willing to bet from? Especially if you think they see you as tag, are you even considering a call with anything worse than a jack?

Live reading is definitely a thing I struggle with a lot as well. And squid face said it much better than I ever could. It's live reading, and paying hard attention to hands you aren't involved in. In fact those are sometimes the best hands because people will make mistakes, and you get to see showdowns and hands your opponents play without having to risk a nickle of your own stack.

Thanks.

Honestly speaking - even with 100% focus, it’s impossible for the human mind to remember more than a few things unless you’re writing every hand down like a noob. Only if we were HUDs. Lol.

Once I check back turn, I’m very unlikely to bluff the river so why would he check KK/QQ to me? He’s just going to target the Jx/Tx/herocall part of my range and hope to get a call, and at the same time, bet/fold if I raise. Infact, I would do the same thing with KK/QQ.

I’d take a sip of Scotch,and say “I don’t think you have the flush”...then offer to bet his classic Ferrari,then announce two pair as I slowrolled quads.

This is one of those sick spots where you not only fold, you snap fold, and you make sure to show him you folded quads just so he knows that you can soulread him and to never **** with you again.

Probably also a good idea to nudge shoulders with the tables around you so they all see what you're capable of.

"Why would he check KK/QQ?" Because I assume he is snap folding if you raise since you are "very unlikely to bluff the river." Assuming he knows you are a thinking player, he knows that you are also folding a jack a good portion of the time against a TAG/nit donk bet. You aren't calling with worse, and raising with better, so his bet is going to do nothing here most of the time except cost him some money if he bets into that ace.

Feeding the troll lol

Jesus Christ. I just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading this thread and I can never get that time back.

PS...Nice post Squid! So many so called pros with their faces stuck in their phones all day long. Some of them even have the nerve to ask "who raised that preflop?" or "how much did he raise?" when the hand is over and he wasnt watching. You think Im going to tell you? Seriously? Of course some moron normally does.

Lol vg

If he’s going to check/call a PSB with KK/QQ, why wouldn’t he bet/fold to a 1/2PSB instead?

Easy fold.. what would he shove with other than Royal flush ??
All the advice here is so bad. You dont have the nuts and you are faced with a shove from tight reg just fold and say nice bluff with half a smile.

"Easy" fold? Not sure if this is a level.

Also, I would like to know what hands are all you posters shoving for value when facing a PSB from me...

I dont know what everyone else is shoving here but personally I'm shoving only Royal Flush there. The board is so dangerous and I'm not blind. I would think on 4th lvl thinking

What does he think I think he thinks I think he may think I have and would probably figure out your quads there. Anyway yeah I think is easy fold if you are lvl 4 and above thinker.

Results please did he show ?