4-handed vs good nit reg who doesn’t bluff..


V opens to $6 in CO, Hero 3b to $20 OTB with A9, V calls.

Flop ($40): AAT
V checks, Hero bets $20, V calls

Turn ($80): A
V checks, Hero checks

River ($80): J
V checks, Hero bets $80, V shoves $300, Hero ?? (covers)

Line check on every street please?

Flop fine.

Bet turn $40.

On River, I'm not sure what the question is? We call right? We're never ever folding with quad aces. If he has the royal flush good for him

Line looks good. Looks like you ran into a cooler, I hope you are never folding here. Only one hand beats you.

Bet turn. This is such a good card for you, people won't put you on quads and hate to fold boats.

Call river. Hard for me to believe that reg is so tight that he only shows up with KQhh here, rather than KK or something, but at the same time he calls a 3-bet pre out of position with that hand.

Pretty much ^

Ask yourself if he could do this with QQ/KK/Jx. If the answer is yes, call hard.

Why are we 3betting a nit reg?

Postflop is fine. You could bet turn, but checking is fine since we block so many valuehands.

Otr i think your actually losing quite often when he takes this line. Otoh it is soo unlikely that he has a royal flush, and people overplay hands often enough at 1/2. I'm obviously never folding.

I'm OK with the turn check. I think I like it more than most would.

If he has KQhh here, he's not a nit-reg. At all. Nits don't raise KQsuited.

He's infinitely more likely to show up with KK/QQ/JJ than anything else given that he raised and called pre.

Bet turn call river don't overthink.

Never vs that sizing.

This. In order for this to be a fold, he must only raise the absolute nuts here, which means he must have bet-called pre OOP with KQs. The type of players who would never raise a boat here (even after your turn check) are not the type of players who bet/call pre with KQs.

Nit-reg isn't opening to $6, and calling a 3! OOP with KQhh. So he must not be a good nit-reg.

He could very well have KQhh here, but I suspect he could also do this with KK,QQ,JJ,TT,Jx,Tx. For $220 to win $460, I call.

Also, if your room has a BBJ it might be wise to stare at V for a tell. Problem is he could have the same look no matter which qualifying hand he holds (the winner KQhh), or the loser. He might have shoved 300 hoping to win 300 if he's ahead, or win 10K+ if he's behind with KK, QQ, etc. In this spot the purple mist in his brain probably doesn't consider that your kicker may not beat the board.

Never folding quad aces. I don't think the best player on the planet is folding quad aces either. The only reason to fold quad aces would be a million dollars bet into a 2 dollar pot and you don't have a million lying around to spare (or you're on the bubble at a tournament, but even then I probably call). If it's a cooler, so be it.

Pretty gross spot. In the end we gotta call, but we really only beat a bluff.

I wouldn't fault you for folding if you're actually sure he never bluffs

This.

Checking turn is very bad in my opinion.

His hand can't really improve much on the river, barring the RF. So we're hoping to get an extra river bet from a FH that would fold if we bet now?

Lots of player check the mortal nuts so a turn bet can make them think you don't have quads as often as that you do.

Most importantly, 2 bets are better than one. If the guy is a big folder I might bet turn than bet the same amount on river so he "has to" call.

These are the type of strat threads we need.

Lol

4 handed they prob can but yeah op's description is a difficult parlay. "Good" but never bluffs, "nit" but plays/gives action short handed, etc. The description is prob biased towards the hand/not completely accurate.

Eta - saw the other nit dqs pre post. If opening kq sooted 4 handed is all it takes to not be a nit a lot of ppl who get labeled nits arent nits...

Grunch: Are we serious here? Snappiest call ever and thank our lucky stars. We lose to one combo, FFS.

You’re guys’ definition of a nit is nitty. Someone who’s CO open/call range doesn’t include KJs is notably tight if not nitty. If personally classify them as a pretty big nit.

In a 3-bet pot where an A is the nuts I don’t think villain does this often without Ax+. If he does not have it he has to worry that you do. Well, it’s hard to fold when we only lose to 1 combo.

+1 Ha ha ha.

Has anybody here ever folded quads ever unless it was the board?

We actually have a decent amount of quads here and it's a spot where he's really disincentivised to bluff or shove with KK etc.

Also you're likely gonna get 4bet when he has KK and I imagine he's not x/r QQ OTR (wtf is he getting called by). And don't forget we bet pot on the river... I mean if you think he's capable of bluff shoving Khx or Qhx then you gotta call but I just don't think he's bluffing you here as you have so many quads. In addition, consider that if he's folding KQo, QJo preflop then all his Qh, KH bluffs have sdv and he'd have to be turning qhqx khkx into a bluff... When those hands make great calls.

Ok so he's gonna have KQhh so he's gonna have to have some bluffs (theory wise) even though you have so many quads. But cmon he's not bluffing expecting you to fold an A.

All these people making fun of this thread are.missing an instructive thought process. I think it's actually interesting. Maybe put some thought into something before you dismiss.it as trivial...

I would fold.

Disclaimer, this is all assuming.no bbv

Why not? KK is the 2nd nuts in this situation, if he has the King of Hearts. QQ for the 3rd nuts.

While there are aces in our range, we have very few aces from a sheer odds stand point.

That's insanity. He has to have exactly two cards in the deck, and called a 3 bet OOP with KQ as a nit who doesn't bluff.

Yes. Saw it happen at the Shoe in Tunica. Woman folded quads face up. Correct fold. However she about needed an armed escort out of the room. For some reason people were not happy about missing out on their share of the almost $200k BBJ.

I’ve actually seen this exact type of hand from a reg. Tight reg had a straight flush Vs another regs quads. Honestly, I’m not sure how you fold, but being as how you have quad Aces, and I don’t think Pocket Kings is ever shoving here since 3 Aces are on the board. It really does have the be KQ Of hearts for the Royal a lot. Unless Villian is a fish, right? Sick cooler. I don’t know if I could find a fold TBH.

It’s not insanity at all when his entire value range is exactly those two cards. Jarret is making a good point that the decision does deserve at least a raised eyebrow and not a snicker. However it’s still not going to be a fold becasue it isn’t a super narrow range spot when V arrives at the river relatively wide becasue 14 more pre is nothing (and maybe he’s having a bad night and is “spewing” w offsuit bways) and more importantly the turn checked through. It isn’t that he is going to interpret that turn check as weakness eliciting some mega bluff raise otr, but rather it just leaves a larger number of hands in range with which he could elect to bluff at least a small part of the time/if he’s frustrated/if he read something about nut blockers and wanted to be a tough guy. Had hero bet turn, different story. Just call it off, see the royal sometimes, and muck your hand wgaf.