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Old 10-06-2013, 09:35 AM   #1
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1/2 QQ vs tight SB 3bet

Sat at the table 50min ago.
I only played 1 hand and so has Villain.
He' s in his 20's, pays attention to the action, handles cards and chips with confidence. His friend at the table is also young, but more active. (They had a quick chat about a previous hand wondering if he could have "extracted more value"). They seem like competent players.

Hero (400) in the HJ opens QQ to 7.
Villain (250) in the SB 3bets to 24.
Hero calls.

Flop (50): 994
Villain (226) bets 30.
Hero calls.

Turn (110): A
Villain (196) bets 75.
Hero folds.
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Old 10-06-2013, 10:09 AM   #2
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Re: 1/2 QQ vs tight SB 3bet

NH, wp. Even vs a tight player, I can't see folding QQ to a three-bet when we have position and stacks are over 100bbs. There is a lot of AK in his range hre, as well as JJ+.

Calling flop is obv. You have an overpair and it's a good flop to c-bet. You are still ahead of a lot of his range.

Folding turn is also good. All his big ace range beats you now, and the only thing you're ahead of is JJ and random spazz. Time to chuck it in.
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Old 10-06-2013, 11:00 AM   #3
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Re: 1/2 QQ vs tight SB 3bet

Looks good. Even against the nittiest people you can't fold pre or on the flop. Turn is a fold with out reads. Nh.
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Old 10-06-2013, 03:14 PM   #4
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Looks good, except why open for $7?
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Old 10-06-2013, 03:19 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2 QQ vs tight SB 3bet

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Old 10-06-2013, 03:39 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2 QQ vs tight SB 3bet

Don't love calling pre.

4-bet pre and don't fold.

You're in HJ and villain is in SB. You don't love his 5-bet shove range, but you're doing just fine against his 3-bet and fine enough against his shove.

As played with a call pre, yeah, you played it fine. But what's really your plan with a call? Planning to peel one on most flops? Play fit or fold?

If villain had JJ, he'd c-bet AT5, and we'd fold the best hand.

If he had AQ, which I think he will definitely 3-bet over a HJ open, he'll c-bet KT2, an you'll probably fold, too.

It's cool that we have position, but QQ is a monster here - but you're going to lose post-flop if villain makes a hand, has a hand, or pretends to make a hand.

Villain's pre-flop 3-bet range from SB facing your HJ open (you're TAG, right, and your LP open is very wide and villain is paying attention) could be (guess mode here):

ATs+, AJo+, TT+, KQ

You crush that. Again, you don't love the range he continues with when you 4-bet, but you're still doing just fine. Even against JJ+, AK you have ~50%.

Calling pre is probably less profitable and it outs you in incredibly difficult post-flop situations. This hand plays itself pre-flop.
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Old 10-07-2013, 12:36 AM   #7
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Re: 1/2 QQ vs tight SB 3bet

I'd be 4 betting 75-100 pre
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:32 AM   #8
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Re: 1/2 QQ vs tight SB 3bet

If we 4 bet and must call any shove ofc but why calling better that 4betting vs tag there?If tag 3 bet TT+,AK
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Old 10-09-2013, 11:11 AM   #9
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Re: 1/2 QQ vs tight SB 3bet

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Originally Posted by Willyoman View Post
Don't love calling pre.

4-bet pre and don't fold.

You're in HJ and villain is in SB. You don't love his 5-bet shove range, but you're doing just fine against his 3-bet and fine enough against his shove.

As played with a call pre, yeah, you played it fine. But what's really your plan with a call? Planning to peel one on most flops? Play fit or fold?

If villain had JJ, he'd c-bet AT5, and we'd fold the best hand.

If he had AQ, which I think he will definitely 3-bet over a HJ open, he'll c-bet KT2, an you'll probably fold, too.

It's cool that we have position, but QQ is a monster here - but you're going to lose post-flop if villain makes a hand, has a hand, or pretends to make a hand.

Villain's pre-flop 3-bet range from SB facing your HJ open (you're TAG, right, and your LP open is very wide and villain is paying attention) could be (guess mode here):

ATs+, AJo+, TT+, KQ

You crush that. Again, you don't love the range he continues with when you 4-bet, but you're still doing just fine. Even against JJ+, AK you have ~50%.

Calling pre is probably less profitable and it outs you in incredibly difficult post-flop situations. This hand plays itself pre-flop.
Sorry for late reply and thanks for the input.

You are right, when I 4bet/call pre. we have ~50% (being against JJ+, AK) but we don't get any value from the bottom of his range that will Cbet almost any flop.
I plan on calling almost any flop. (Even good) players don't second barrel bluff very often OOP in a 3bet pot.
If the board comes 962 5 all the money will go in anyway.

So I think there a little more value in flatting here as we obtain the same as 4b/call plus some value from bluff Cbets.
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