1 limp, hero($500) raises QQ in late to $12, CO($200) calls, BB calls, limper calls.

flop($49): J74

BB checks, limper checks, hero cbet $25, CO calls, rest fold.

turn($99): A

hero?

i went for a 1/2 psb as the flop is very dry and not that many draws. also a smaller cbet keeps in a wider range. any disagreement here? how does a turn check/call sound?




CO- looks about 50 or so, caucasian. i just stacked him with 77 on 754, he bet/3b jammed flop with 56o after cold calling pre OOP. before that hand he seemed quite passive. limps in pre, mostly fit or fold. haven't seen anything unusual until that 77 hand.

hero- playing tight, he probably views me as a rock up to this point.

Raise more pre, more like 16-20. AP, I might just c/c. b/f might be problematic cause V might be steaming from you stacking him earlier.

oh i should add, he does seem a bit tilted/wants to make his money back. his body language and facial expression says it all.

Given that little extra bit of information, I like a check/call OTT. If he bets the turn, I'll call down. If he checks the turn, I'll bet 1/2 PSB river. The board is really so dry, you have no worries about being drawn out on, let him steam bluff a few chips away.

I like your play pre and OTF, though I might bet bigger pre, especially if we think he is steaming, and will call with his whole range here.

I don't like this spot at all. I hate oop. The turn sucks. CO could easily have an ace. I think if we check/call $50 on the turn we have to call the river. From your info sounds like he will definitely get it in on the river, if he bets turn so it is really a decision for his stack on the turn with 2nd pair. We've put in $37 and he has $163 behind. I think I might be ok folding the best hand here. Not at all confident with my decision though.

check/fold turn

I understand people saying make it bigger pre. You wanna get more value and all that, over a limper you can make it bigger, etc. Personally I'm fine with 12. But it surprises me that several have said bigger pre but no one has said bigger on flop!

I understand your reasoning that flop is dry, but what are people gonna call 25 with that they won't call 35 with? Your bet on the flop serves two purposes: to thin the field so it's less likely you get drawn out on (this hand is a good example, A on turn is manageable vs one but you have to shut down really often if you're 3+ way to this turn), and to get value. Both 25 and 35 thins field, 35 just gets more value. If someone has a jack they call either way. I guess the only way someone folds to 35 and not 25 is if they have random 7 or 4 but if they're calling 25 with those they're usually gonna call 35 with them too.

As played, what is villain's range here? I think he has Jx often. He has 65 sometimes but based on previous hand he probably raises flop with it, half because tilt half because it's a decent semi bluff spot and looks so strong. Like you said there's no draws. Does he call with random AK AQ? Does he not 3b these pre? I doubt he has one of those. Don't think he continued with AT or worse ace and don't think he has AA. So what hands can he have that ace hits? AJ, A7, A4. Does he flat these hands on the flop? Probably, but he also flats KJ, QJ, JT, J9, etc.

I like c/c on turn, evaluate river. If he puts out big bet on river after turn bet then it's a much trickier spot.

Raise more pre if you're getting 3 callers with regularity. Also, it's a 4 way pot, I'm firing a little more than 50% of pot on the flop.

Turn feels like a check/call. He seems more likely to have a jack than ace high in a four way pot.

That's a very dry flop, so I think it is more likely he has JX or 65 again, rather than floating AX. I'd B/F $45 ott.

Pre - raise to at least $15 with a tilting CO, 100 bbs effective.

I check call/evaluate here

I'm fine with pre given that we're raising over one limper from LP. We're at the top end of our pretty wide range here so 6bb is good imo.

Flop is fine too. I'd probably go like $30 but the difference is trivial.

So the hand is well played to the turn, so I hope you bet because this is an easy b/f spot - something like $50-60. I don't think he's going to float you with 2 overs very often when you c-bet into 3 people and the other 2 are behind him still to act when he makes his flop call. The vast majority of his range is Jx and 65, with maybe some slowplayed sets or KK+ and some 99-TT or weird 7x if he's getting sticky. We're still ahead most of the time here; if he has AJ or something, good for him. He's unlikely to bet the hands we beat when we check because of the overcard, but he still might call a bet since we're betting with our whole range on this turn (or he's just a donk who likes to hit the call button, whichever). C/c just lets him get value when he's ahead and check through when he's behind.

That ace is pretty safe for you considering the action and the villain. Unless the villain has Ace-jack or MAYBE Ace-seven, that turn didn't hurt you.

There's no flush draw on the flop or any straight draw to Broadway.

pre is debatable, you could raise more, but it's very table-dependent. you don't want a horde of callers, that's for sure.

flop bet could be ~35

i'd ch/c turn, and ch/eval river. if turn goes ch/ch i'd bet ~1/2pot otr

grunch

im raising 15-17 pre.

on the flop, i bet 30-35. In general, most villains are calling or folding with a jack or pocket pair--regardless of the betsize that they must call. As a result, you should bet more for value and bet less as a bluff.

on the turn, bet for value. 50-60 looks good.

If we check turn, what happens when it goes check-check. Bet river with intent of calling a raise?

agree with neverscurred and bob_124, turn is a bet/fold.

Sizing pre is fine, although mine would of been around 14+.

Then a bet of 40 otf if all three called my 14, but since the pot is 49, the flop bet should be 25-30, but I do agree with posted a couple of posts above me about "just make it 35 seeming how if anyone did have a jack, they are coming along anyway so there is more value if you bet 35 instead of 25).

Is villian the type to raise if they smell weakness in a bet? If so, I once again bet 75% of the pot. If not, I bet 1/2. If villian raises, it's evaluation time. I'd have to be at the table to really decide on this one. I can't say from here. If villian just flats, that's fine also.

More OTF, and more OTT. Although, your sizing now isn't that horrible.

OK so couple things here lots of people have said raise more pre to iso limper which is correct, 15 is the min I would put in here, if they will call 12 they will call 15.

This is a gem of a flop for our hand and we have 3 other people in the hand. We can get things of value on this flop and it makes me cry about this sizing. There are so many J in vills range that we have to bet 40 at min here... this is 1/2, people will call with J9 here so often and we have a good chance of stacking them on a brick turn.... plus someone is bound to have a flush draw some of the time and an occasional straight draw we can also get value from.

The turn isnt as tough as some people are making it, how many A are in Vill range? All A high flush draws and let's say AJ and A7 and half of AK combos since we did bet so little. That is a total of 35 combos, how many just J combos do we beat? 48 total of KJ, QJ, JT and J9... not to mention the weird worse than J hands and draws a tilting Vill can have, this is a clear bet.

The question now is how to get a 2nd pair hand to call... Luckily it's 1/2 and v people don't like to fold and the river is where all their hopes and dreams lie. So.... We are able go define Vill range more with another bet. Imo the worst thing for me is check calling vs a hand I'm guessing at, I would much rather be the aggressor and make him define his hand. We can easily do this by being 30-35, and happily fold to a raise. This is how we can get max thin value from weird/gross spots.

Meh... raise more pre.

Flop is too small. With 3 opponents, and J7x flop, someone hit this flop. So bet and make them pay. $40. Call reasonable raise.

The thing about the turn is, you're not going to be called by Jx, 7x hands here. I think its fine to let the turn go check/check so that you can get more value on the river. Although, I suppose this is balanced by the bet you get here when draws call.

You could get 3 streets if Villain puts in a small bet on the turn thinking Hero hates the Ace and is thinking of folding.

I think we can x/c the turn and re-eval on the river. Most likely betting for value on blank river -- almost 1/2 the deck is good for Hero.

I'm also fine with winning a smaller pot here since I want to be able to get away when the heat gets turned up.

Not so sure the turn is a b/f against a tilty player, but I could be wrong. If we bet 50-60 I could see him saying screw it and shoving with some Jx hands and even 56, but this is one of those grey areas where you can't completely predict how a tilty player will react.

Regardless, I'm continuing betting turn for value since AJ is the only hand that improved.

Also raising more pre and otf. Flop bet is better if its hu or even 3 way to the flop

Raise to $15+ pre.

I'm betting $70 on turn, remember, that Ace is part of your PERCEIVED RANGE, for you to check when it hits shows huge weakness imo.

Most $1/$2 villians will always have you on AK, barrel at that card.

He would have to be either a very bad or very good player to call the flop with something like AT or AQ. The only hand you worry about is AJ and he'll let you know if he has it.

Checking the turn is terrible unless you know the V is tricky and you are setting up a bluff catcher.

$12 is fine pre. It's all table dependent. I'd go $35-$40 on the flop. As played bet/f $50 on the turn, if he calls then re-evaluate river. But it's very likely you either take it down or get raised ott.

Huh?????

Let me get this straight, our goal is to rep AK? So they fold their Jx and call with anything that beats AK?

That's a reason to check and pick off bluffs not a reason to bet.

As played, if you bet turn for 1/2 pot, you have already committed $12 + 25 + 50 = $87 which is almost half the effective stack size. Folding thereafter means that you have made a mistake somewhere in the hand.

But where is the mistake?


IMO., You should have bet bigger at flop. Assuming you bet $40 at flop, CO calls. The pot size at turn now is about $130.

CO will only have $150 behind. This allows an easy decision at turn. You can shove most of the turn card profitably. If you think he is a guy who is stubborn with Ax hands (aka calling station), you can check fold easily to the Ace turn card.

By betting so small at flop (only $25), you create problems for yourself later in the hand. That is because QQ is just an overpair that have little potential to improve in the hand. You want to put as much money in as early as possible. Cbetting smaller to keep weak ranges in is a mistake.

This doesn't make any sense, you would be turning your QQ into a bluff which would never succeed (he doesn't have KK, probably isn't folding a small ace). Whenever you are called you have just lost $70, when they fold you gain nothing