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1/2 QQ led into 3 streets 1/2 QQ led into 3 streets

03-17-2016 , 03:19 PM
Hero: 30s WM, friendliest guy at the table, conversations with everyone inc dealers. Up for session. TAG. $400, covers.

V 30s Indian guy, about $200. Play is weak-tight, fair bit of l/f pre, but seems like this isn't his first trip to casino. Said he folded TPTK to someone else cuz he thought guy had an overpair, he showed the TP but not the kicker. I believe him. He's with his younger buddy who clearly is on his first trip, and getting creamed. I polished off one of his buddy's $50 stacks with A7s, 2p vs AJ. I let the kid know there was nothing he could do (he looked like he was gonna cry.)

OTTH

Pre: V limps EP, another limp, Hero on BTN with QQ, pop to 15, only V calls.

Flop $30 T95 V leads 30. My read is basically as above, he'll fold TP if I raise, and he'll slow down if the flush comes in unless he has it himself. If I raise here, I can charge his FD, but idk how often he's leading into me with those. I doubt he'll lead w SD and I block the only realistic one anyway. So I opt to smooth. Maybe could have clicked it back?

Turn $90 2 V leads 30 again. I choose to flat again.

River $150 4 Flush gets there and V cuts out a few different amounts before settling on 50, almost half his stack. H folds.

TYIA.
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03-17-2016 , 03:25 PM
I don't see how you fold river getting 4:1 on the call. There's not a 20% chance he has top pair here?

Going into a bit more detail, very unlikely he's donking into you on the flop with a draw. Often donk is a top pair type hand. I also like donking with a set, but most V's don't make that play.

The "same bet" on the turn is a classic sign of weakness. Once he makes that bet I think top pair is a lot more likely. If he had a set, wouldn't he try to bet in a way that allows him to get it in? Given the read above I snap call the river.
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03-17-2016 , 04:48 PM
Call the river
Unless you think he is leading with a flush draw, he very likely has something like AT here.
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03-17-2016 , 04:49 PM
If you are folding if the flush hits the river, you should be raising early in the hand. Don't pity station fold this dude cuz his friend was gonna cry.
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03-17-2016 , 04:56 PM
If you call flop and call turn, you have to call river for this price.

I would have raised flop.
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03-17-2016 , 05:02 PM
I would snap call river and possibly even min raise. A villain like this often has Tx here and even 9x. He doesn't think you have an OP here because you didn't raise any of his bets and it's unlikely he's double barreling a FD OTT, or even donking that OTF. And if he had a flush, he would have bombed the river. I believe he would have bombed any street he made 2P or a set as well.

I also agree with MIB that the same bet on the next street is a sign of weakness. Especially with all the draws out there.
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03-17-2016 , 05:29 PM
Raise flop. Shove turn. Wtf River
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03-17-2016 , 05:43 PM
LOL @ folding river.
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03-17-2016 , 06:32 PM
Tx guys. Turn is where I think I should have asked him if he was really serious or not, cuz as MIB said, "The "same bet" on the turn is a classic sign of weakness." So I think I decided to let him hang himself, FPS. That's the street I'm least happy with.

Instead I let him get there, which was also obv bad. he turned over AKhh. Prob could have got rid of him on turn. But I still think y'all are right, for that price I should have called river. I didn't really think about the price, mostly just groaned and mentally kicked myself.
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03-17-2016 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by sw_emigre
Tx guys. Turn is where I think I should have asked him if he was really serious or not, cuz as MIB said, "The "same bet" on the turn is a classic sign of weakness." So I think I decided to let him hang himself, FPS. That's the street I'm least happy with.

Instead I let him get there, which was also obv bad. he turned over AKhh. Prob could have got rid of him on turn. But I still think y'all are right, for that price I should have called river. I didn't really think about the price, mostly just groaned and mentally kicked myself.
V isn't folding that hand on the turn, he's just gonna call off and get there anyway, but you get zero value from calling turn while you get huge value from shoving it.
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