Flop is a clear check. Probably should be checking your entire range against this player.

My hand isn't strong enough for this rope-a-dope for $450.If we are doing this, we must go all the way to the river which really puts us in a tough guessing game.

Your hand strength is irrelevant. All that matters is how your hand stacks up against your opponent's range.

So what you are saying is that we can comfortably go c/c mode with TT and even A high?Ace high is probably ahead of his betting range on the flop.

So it seems you want to essentially bluff the flop and then give up on the turn. This is not a good plan. Typically I like a c/c, c/f line. Then play similarly when you have AK and get stacks in.

If TT is actually ahead of his range or A high then yes, you should c/c. However if this guy is actually just putting all the money in every single hand I would just wait for a lower variance spot.

That's not what I'm saying at all. What I am saying is that you need to evaluate how villain is likely to play different parts of his range. If he's willing to triple barrel here with 100% of his range, then you absolutely should c/c 3 streets with QQ on this board. But betting the flop makes no sense as you don't fold out better or get called by much worse. Betting because you don't know what to do if you check is not a good strategy.

C/C and C/F is really bad vs his guy imo given our decent hand. b/c and c/f depending turn cards at least define his hand strength

+1, excellent post.

He is calling any piece of the board based on my reads.Betting can still extract value from his super wide calling range,control the size of the pot and define his hand strength.I'm not willing to go rop dope and put my $450 stack on the line vs this guy not knowing his hand strength in a high variance spot.We can sigh and fold when showing huge strength early on when he put us on AK.

You're OOP against a very aggressive player with an SPR just over 3 heading to the flop. There's not going to be any way to control the size of the pot here, as V is going to put you to a decision for your stack if he wants to. But if you do want to pot control, checking is the way to go since it's the only option that actually has the ability to prevent the pot from growing heading to the turn. And since V will both call flop bets wide and bet a wide range if checked to, neither option is going to define his hand strength.

Try this: Write down V's range for getting to this flop, then write down his flop folding/calling/raising range vs. a flop bet and his checking/betting range if checked to. Then see which option (betting vs. checking) puts you in a better position for the rest of the hand.

Then you should change tables. Playing against overly aggressive players / maniacs is going to be high variance in nature, but very profitable if we're willing to embrace variance and use their aggression against them.

So you comfortably c/c a potential huge bet and c/f on the turn knowing T is a bad card for us after putting 1/3 of our stack?I think that this rope-dope strategy works best if we have TP or better hands vs a wide range and can comfortably call off for 225BB.

If I c/c this flop, I'm probably not c/f this turn against this particular player. If you're afraid to play this deep without TP or better, you can always c/f the flop. Again, try doing the exercise above and you'll see that checking this flop is clearly superior to betting.

No, I'm not advocating folding QQ pre unless his presumably AK, KK or AA bets such that we lose the fold equity and forces us to commit for a shove or fold. That's why the QQ are good up to 3! and if we are against AK we are in deep trouble if the AK is in the hands of a specialist like myself that knows how to play professionally. Playing AK well will eliminate the QQ, JJ, TT and all other pocket pairs while we dominate any other AX and KX combo except AA/KK. This concept that I advocate is part of my

What? Are you ranging Villain in this hand on AK, KK or AA? You basically said we should fold QQ unless we hit a Q. What?

You cannot commit your money on QQ preflop and you cannot building the pot on the K or A high flops unless you hit one of the remaining two Queens. All this is also part of my

Seriously? I will pass on the book, thanks.

Either x/c all the way or fold flop. SPR too low to consider putting in more $ and folding against aggrotard.

AP is a call, should have enough qj, qt, aj, at, bare gutters and air in his range.

^ this

KT, QJ, QT, AJ, or AT are not playable in a raised pot unless we're talking about the absolute fish coming to Vegas for the weekend by tens of thousands week after week after week.

As played, i folded even if i picked up open ended straight draw.. Villian showed KTo.

seems about right,kind sucks when fish get on a heater and cant lose but overall you played the hand about the best you can against a guy like this.
I dont mind the Preflop 3 bet sizing,and with 1 over I dont mind the c bet as you will likely get value from Jx,draws on the turn I dont even mind the check and see what he wants to do but knowing what he is like you have to expect that and when you check have a plan for it.
as I have said before I dont think you are really beating that much when he shoves but sometime you have to go with your reads and see what happens

C/F the flop. Yes, its possible he will steal, but if he bets the flop and we call, he's going to keep betting. Once he bets flop we have to make the decision to play for stacks right then and there.

Also, people overestimate how often V's will just stone cold bluff. A guy would have to literally be getting it in with ATC for a few consecutive hands in a row for me to consider risking over 200BB's with QQ on a k high board in a 3bet pot.

^ this

This advice is one of the very best I ever come across on this forum.
Well done A

This is not good advice against described Villain. I played against a guy last night who is loose/aggressive and bluffs into any weakness. Example:

V straddles button to $10 (1/3 game, ES $300, my first hand at table).
I raise to $45 in CO w/ JJ
V calls.
Flop ($88) Ah7d9s
I bet $60, V calls
Turn ($208) Ah7d9s3d
I bet $100 (yes, I am committed), V calls
River ($408) blank (no straight, no flush, lower than J)
I check, V asks how much and I show him (he realizes I am never folding), V checks and MHIG

I guarantee you if I had more behind, he would have shoved river (and I would have called).

Edit: I checked river thinking/hoping he would put me all in -- he wasn't calling my river bet with a hand I beat.

You cannot slow down against these guys, and if you do show weakness, you often have to be willing to call. If you can't do this, don't play hands against loose/aggressive, bluffy players.