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02-09-2016 , 05:57 PM

tellypl

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1pm on a Monday.

V: MAWG reggy player - Probably Mid 30's. Covers me. Stacks ~240 eff. Has a higher than average VPIP thus far. This is only about 20 minutes into the session. Hand right before this I double barrel in a raised pot against V with A8ss on AK6Qcc board, River blank, he leads river and I fold.

1 limper
Hero raises in MP to 12 with Q

V calls OTB
BB calls

Flop: (35) J

BB checks
Hero bets 25
V raise to 75
BB folds
Hero -

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02-09-2016 , 06:02 PM

samdabam

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I think this is a call and evaluate turn spot.

Is he the type to call and attack small sc here?
Would he raise TPTK in position on such a dry board?

There are 6 set combinations that he could have vs a lot of worse Js that he could overplay, so let him.

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02-09-2016 , 07:14 PM

dimes

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I agree. Youre not folding here. Call and see what happens on the turn.

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02-09-2016 , 07:34 PM

Mr_Doomed

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You do realize that after our PF raise to 12, our bet of 25 and 50 more to call we will have put in 1/3 of our stack and the pot will be 185 with ~160 behind. If we call on the flop we are going with the hand. If you call on the flop and fold to a turn shove you are making a sizable mistake with these stack sizes.

I say call flop and donk good turn cards. I suppose we can fold of the turn is a J but that's about it.

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02-09-2016 , 07:53 PM

sewktbk

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I personally hate these spots.

Folding a premium on such a dry board makes us way too exploitable. At the same time, any decent player who flops a set here and raises us knows he's getting great value because we can never fold the top of our range here.

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02-09-2016 , 08:04 PM

tellypl

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Originally Posted by Mr_Doomed

Yes I was aware but good point about stacks

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02-09-2016 , 08:29 PM

MIB211

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Originally Posted by Mr_Doomed

I agree with this. I don't hate folding flop, but if we call flop we can't fold the turn or river absent a J hitting.

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02-09-2016 , 09:03 PM

bodybuilder32

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I doubt he raises with one pair here unless he flatted with AA. This guy just played a hand with you in position where you double barreled into him. I think he would let you just keep firing if he didn't believe you have an overpair and call you down, similar to last hand where he probably had TTTK or top two pair.

The BB is still in the hand, reducing the chances he is raising you light. I also think he has JJ in his range, into addition to 66 and 22. Basically, we only beat AJ here, but lose to KK, AA, JJ, 66, 22, and a rare but possible 62 suited.

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02-09-2016 , 10:05 PM

Cyo

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Hand right before this I double barrel in a raised pot against V with A8ss on AK6Qcc board, River blank, he leads river and I fold.

In the 20 min you've played with him, he's seen you fold to pressure. If he's way ahead, why would he raise you? He knows you'll fold if you are weak. So, AA, KK, JJ all should be happy to let you keep betting on the turn. He wants the fold.

Call.

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02-10-2016 , 12:16 AM

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Mr_Doomed

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Originally Posted by bodybuilder32

AA and KK 3bet like 99% of the time. They rarely ever just flat a raise preflop. I honestly think think this is a spot to just station. He is playing a fair amount of hands. I am not just going to Bet/fold an big PP vs this guy. I think we should station him or donk bet turn to get value from an over played Jx seeing where he is at.

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02-10-2016 , 12:20 AM

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tellypl

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Thanks for the input everyone. I decided to Shove flop and was called by j6o (lol) and he held. I Don't think my action was the best anymore based on some of the reasoning in here. Thank you.

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02-10-2016 , 05:39 AM

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moxiepilot

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I know it's after the fact, but I would call and evaluate turn. It's unfortunate he had J6o but if he's going to be that loose on the button, you'll probably out play him with card selection in the long run.

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