If we fold everything except AA and KK to a min4 bet from a known LAG we are doing something wrong. In his mind you never 5 bet with out the nuts so I would have 1010+ and AK AQs in my Flatting range here. We have position and we have some reads on this guy. Not to mention a pretty good price to call. I like a flat and lets play poker.

Call. Proceed carefully.

He pretty much gave you implied set mining odds, but I don't expect your QQ to be ahead all that often here.

he may open raise with 77+, but once he 4-bets, you have to severely tighten his range.

Completed PF action, Flop & action by Villain

I call V's $45 4b & there's $146 going to the flop

Flop: T95

V bets $70 & I'm not happy.....I only beat 88 & JJ, and AK etc., stuff.
Unless he would play 66+ this way, I'm a serious dog, no?

The only tell I'm getting is that he's acting serious. Often not a good sign from him, but not necessarily a closer for my decision. I still think he can find it in himself to play AK against me like this.
Of course, I could be fallin' into that trap of players who cannot convince themselves they have the worse hand.

Thoughts? call>fold>raise?

He bet less than half pot on a very wet board (though less wet than it seems, given it's a 4-bet pot) which seems less like a VB, and more like a cheap c-bet. I'm not ready to give up here, esp if we have Qd. We have two back door draws and an overpair. Given our likely image, V prob gives up a lot with his air range if we call here. I call and fold most second barrels unless we pick up equity or an lol-tell.

What if he borders on, or is, an aggro-tard LAG?

When I say "fit or fold" I mean folding on the flop in these type situations:
I have A7, flop is KJ7 5 way - ck'd to next to last to act who gets 2 callers b4 I fold.
Even if I consider it highly unlikely that someone has AK, AJ, I would not call unless I'm getting pot odds of 6:1.
Reason: I don't consider the runner, runner flush a possibility because it will cost too much on the turn to chase if the turn is a spade.

I'll also fold A7 if the 7 is middle pair & the bettor gets 2 callers before it gets to me.

Here's one I chased tonight that I normally do not:
I raise to $10 with AJ & get 3 callers.
Flop KT8

1st 2 players ck, I ck, 4th bets $15 & gets one caller. I have gutshot & a 9 gives me str8 draw. I conclude [out of frustration from a "card-dead" night] that an A may also give me the best hand.
Normally I auto-muck this, but I called & turned a Q for broadway.

When you read this hand, it sounds like the 4th player assumed nobody wanted the pot & was ready to take it. However, he called my $20 bet on the turn & $40 bet on the river.
I didn't ask to see his cards.

I can't let go of my overpair & call
$286 in pot
Turn T954
V bets $70 I can't fold
$426 in pot

When someone "same bet"s the turn and the nuts didn't change, I raise pretty much 100% of my made hands and 95% of my air, only calling with my draws that are getting great odds.

Here's another weak link in my game. I would never consider raising here because:
1. I don't know if I'm best
2. With the pot as big as it, I don't know what it would take to get this guy to muck KK/AA.
3. I'm thinking his same size c-bet is possibly milking more for his set.
4. My 60 yr old heart probably shouldn't be taking this much stress several times a session.

How much would you raise here, given that the pot is $426 after you call V's $70?

Can you think of [invent a hand] in which you have air on the turn & raise, reflecting how much is in the pot, the size of V's bet & your raise?

Thanks.

"Same bets" are almost always a scared made hand that thinks they can't check. I don'tr remember stack szed and to druntk to check ATM, but if reasonable given stacks, I will raise/fol to $200. If that doesn;t leave much behind, i just shove.

Agreed, not even worth discussion.

Raise, like super frickin obvious, every good player on the planet agrees, not two camps on this.. raise.

Honestly, are we raising exactly AA only here? Maybe some KK for balance ?

Raise size in OP seems fine,.. whatever, just raise something that villain will probably call and shouldnt.

HU + dead money w QQ seems pretty ok to me

not nearly as worried about SPR as punishing villain and getting this heads up

At the bottom of this post is the river action, completing this thread.

For those who are seeing post for first time, or would like a refresher I've posted a summary of what's happened so far:

River action: $426 in pot T9542

V bets $98.00. I am convinced he has PP, so only concerned about a set or higher pair. He would have to turn over KK/AA or a set b4 I call to get me to fold.

However, I am wondering why I brought myself this far to begin with. I only beat JJ,88,77,66.

So I spend at least 20 seconds thinking of what a donkey I am for having come this far & then slowly start cutting out $98.00. He turns from looking at the pot, to looking at the chips I'm cutting out, to looking at me.

Maybe he saw the tension in my face, because he then gave off a tell I've seen him give off b4 this session a few times when he had a weak hand:

He picks his cards up off the table, stares at them & gets them in position for showdown, in an effort to convince his opponent that it's a strong hand he's holding up ready to table.
I now feel relieved, but I don't raise. I figure a weaker hand will fold. But now I realize: how could he fold to a $100 raise?
thoughts?

Anyways, I call, he tables 88, I table my QQ and scoop.