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1/2 QQ against aggro 1/2 QQ against aggro

04-12-2019 , 08:05 PM
1/2 with $300 cap buy in. At table for about 2 hours. Fairly normal 1/2 table, lots of limping, not much aggression except for V1 and V2

H: MAWG $350, a bit card dead with few show downs. Little significant action.

V1: YWG, , $290 aggro. Attacking table with lots of aggression. Raises pre a ton and applies pressure post, could have some idea about ranges (see below) but generally winning by just being aggressive. Has not shown down any notable big hands.

V2: ~$200 Maniac Latino guy. Directly to H's right. Raises or calls everything pre, often betting or shoving post if he has any piece or on any signs of weakness. Has busted out at least once and reloaded. I want to play pots with him.

Relevant earlier hand: A few limps to hero. Hero has AsJs and raises to $15, fairly typical to table. V1 calls in BB, V2 calls. Pot ~$45 Flop comes something like 983 all red. V1 knows this doesn't hit H range and thinks for a second and bets out $40. V2 folds, I know if I call, I'm going to face a turn bet and not be happy, so with only $15 invested in the pot, I let it go.

OTTH:

V1 UTG $290 raises to $15 (not uncommon), 2 folds, V2 calls (again, standard), H looks at red QQ. I think I'm generally ahead of both and want to start building a pot. With V2 calling, the pot is ~33. I 3b to $65. Folds to V1 who thinks for a bit then calls. V2 folds.

V1 not raising makes me feel like he doesn't have AA or KK since I would expect a raise. Him thinking makes me think he was leaning toward folding.

Flop $145: 9d 6d 4h.

V1 leads out for $100 with ~$125 behind. V2 folds.

Pot is : $245 to us.

With our prior history, I expect V knows this doesn't hit me and he's trying to take it down. Given his pre raise and not 4b, I put him on any flush draw, overs/broadway cards, and of course sets and pairs+.

There's not a lot of cards we like on the turn. Any diamond, A, K, or 5 is potentially bad for us.

Best line?
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04-12-2019 , 11:08 PM
Shove
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04-12-2019 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by hitchens97
Shove
This. How often does V have AA or KK in this spot? Would he make this play with AK/AQ/JJ/TT? That is your only question. You say he is very aggro. This is not about math, this is entirely about player reading.
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04-13-2019 , 12:23 AM
What about calling the flop? If he's aggro, he might be attacking this flop with 88-JJ, T9, A9, something like that.

If you shove, wouldn't that push him off? On the other hand, call the flop he's probably shoving any turn thinking you have AKo.
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04-13-2019 , 12:57 AM
Not folding an OP here. Shoving and calling both fine. Maybe he ck folds turn or something. Just don’t fold.
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04-13-2019 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by budfox89
What about calling the flop? If he's aggro, he might be attacking this flop with 88-JJ, T9, A9, something like that.

If you shove, wouldn't that push him off? On the other hand, call the flop he's probably shoving any turn thinking you have AKo.
The trouble is a large number of cards that might shut down the action for both of you. You're almost certainly ahead. Get the money in now.
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04-13-2019 , 11:09 AM
I would just flat with Qd and leave his bluffs, but shove with no diamond. I don't think shoving here is bad though.

Side note, size up your opens pre at a table like this. With a few limps, I would be opening to $20, not $15. Excellent 3 bet sizing.
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04-13-2019 , 11:48 AM
Aside from v2 somehow folding twice pre and on the flop this is almost a fist pump jam. Never folding
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04-13-2019 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by setintostraight
Aside from v2 somehow folding twice pre and on the flop this is almost a fist pump jam. Never folding
Gonna go out on a limb and suggest he meant villain 2 flatter pre, otherwise he'd be irrelevant to the post
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04-13-2019 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
Gonna go out on a limb and suggest he meant villain 2 flatter pre, otherwise he'd be irrelevant to the post
Whoops. Yes, V2 called the initial $15 then folded pre to my 3b. I was surprised after V1 called that V2 didn't just shove as he had done a few times before.

Last edited by Cyo; 04-13-2019 at 12:22 PM. Reason: Correction.
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04-13-2019 , 07:12 PM
Shove
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04-13-2019 , 09:31 PM
Shove
Is he really leading a set here when you are going to cbetting /committing on nearly all flops
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04-13-2019 , 11:41 PM
I don't know WTF he's doing when he leads out but I'm sticking it in and expect to mostly be ahead. Seems like a trivial spot.
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04-14-2019 , 01:04 PM
Thanks for the replies.

I did think it was a fairly strait forward shove. I was a bit confused when he lead out. It didn't make sense to me except in the context of his earlier play where he lead out and I folded. Him leaving $125 back also seemed like he wasn't really committed to his move.

I shoved relatively quickly and he went into the tank for a while. He eventually called and said "You have aces don't you?" as he rolled over KK. The turn comes a K which gives him a set and he gets excited. I did not show and mumbled something about getting cracked.

Sometimes they have it. I thought it was funny that he called even though he was convinced I had AA.
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04-14-2019 , 01:46 PM
SHOVE!
oh, I see it was KK. I still think you made the right decision though.
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