Hi all,

Insanely loose 1/2 home game. Surprisingly 4 people limp to me In the SB and I call an extra dollar with QJdd. B.B. checks. I’m the effective stack with $165.

($12) Flop is 10c 9d 2d. We check with the intention of check raising. B.B. Bets 15 one caller button makes it 35 and we jam. Standard?! Button is BRAND new as well this is his first hand

Button's near min raise makes it a questionable play. But I don't think it's bad, you have too good of a draw for it to be terrible. It's likely only marginally profitable though because it's hard for button to be on a draw also, you will run into a set a lot.

I like it if you are ready to re-load just in case.

With 12 in the pot and 163 in our stack, we should just lead out on the flop and hope someone raises to 40~50 so that we can jam. It sucks when we check, they bet 12, we check/raise to 50 and then villains call and we go to the turn and don't bink one of our outs.

As played, we got our dream situation. Shoving is fine. I think we could play it the same with a set.

Hopefully he doesn't have the miracle KdTd.

Doesn't really suck if we x/r and they flat at all, we just jam the turn with a boatload of equity. It sucks worse if we lead and they flat.

We're pretty much 50/50 against a range of T9/22. I figure 99/TT are discounted due to the limp. His range includes some weaker draws as well. You're never in terrible shape here no matter what hands you might get snapped off with. If this were a raised pot I like bombing the flop hard, but in these small pots, I like the x/r bomb turn plan. The worst is we get called in two spots by the NFD and a T9/22. I think we need to shove now and hope to fold out a stronger naked flush draw.

It's possible there is some merit to flatting here and treading carefully on the turn based on what comes. I'd need to think about that some more.

Call and let the third player in. Isoing yourself against the stronger range isn’t great and if the board pairs on the turn you can still fold

My point is that leading out is better than going for a check/raise because with these stack sizes leading out gives us a chance to 4bet jam. In this particular instance we got lucky because button's 3bet gives us the chance to shove.

We'd rather the chips go in on the flop with two cards to come. On the flop we have 69% equity agains ATo and 40% equity against a set. If we go for a C/R, to 3/4 pot, villains flat and a brick peels on the turn, we'll be out of position and we'll have 48% equity agains ATo and 30% equity against a set.

Obviously we want maximum money in OTF. I just think checkraising gets more in on average than leading and hoping to be raised. When your line works it's better than checkraising, but when it doesn't, which is most of the time imo, it's substantially worse.

Leading out is substantially worse than a check/raise when it doesn't work?

It's not all that bad. We bet 10 into 12 and get 2 callers.

We go into the turn with 42 in the pot and 155 left in our stack. We'll often pick up the pot with a turn barrel.

U guys wanna know what he had? Lol

No. What he had on this particular occasion is not so relevant. More interested in hearing from a number of people what they think the correct play is over time.

Sorry if he had exactly Kd8d.

I do.

i will lead most of the time in this spot mostly because i want to build a pot dont wanna risk of giving a free card. also, check raising here will only be called by 2pairs+.

He called my shove with A10 off which is what we want obviously. We don’t improve tho

We would rather he just fold but we got it in with decent equity.

Nobody’s folding AT for another $130 on this board when you limped preflop. You’re repping super thin for value hands and your shove is skewed way more towards draws or in their eyes possibly some other Tx

This is well played with this stacksize.

I'm reading too many "OMG he has a set/two pair/KdTd" kind of comments. The OP clearly states this is an "insanely loose 1/2 home game". Let's all please stop pretending you're only gonna be called by sets or two pair here. And so what if you are? You'll still have a buttload of outs, and if they fold, you'll pock up a nice pot of like 1/3 of your stack.

I definitely prefer c/r to lead here. No, we are not "saved" by the fact that someone else raises, so we can shove. If we c/r ourselves (in an insanely loose homegame I don't expecr the flop to check through), we can easily shove any turn, like ChrisV says.

68% is more than decent, I'd say.

By the way, sets aren't flatting if we c/r the flop.

This is just wrong. Again, this is an insanely loose homegame. A c/r will be called by all kinds of hands, including 87, any T, and so forth...

Haha definitely false

No doubt I got the result I wanted. Dream scenario for me to have him call with top top

Haha not even kidding this game was ridiculous. People were calling like 25 dollar pre flop opens with a stack size of 200 bucks with hands like A8 and K9

Also saw a guy stack off with JJ on a AK522. He had like 300 effective

Totally agree on what Homey is posting. Like if we get all our money in the middle as a 68 percent fav we are loving life, and just printing money.

Basically if we check-raise/ get it in here we just cant go wrong. We are setting ourself up for a +EV spot no matter what. Either we:

1) Folding out other hands with decent equity against us and we ship the pot with Q high and not having to depend on us hitting one of our outs.

2) Or we get all our money in the middle with a ton of outs and insane amount of equity, wich means we are barely a dog even if we get it in against worst case scenario: a set.

And as a bonus effect regarding scenario number 2: if people are stacking off with a naked top pair here we simply have a seat in a great game where people are gonna make repeatedly -EV stackoffs into stackoffranges that have them smoked.