Playing 6 handed. I've been playing tight although v2 just sat down, no real reads on him.

Hero UTG (270) with QJ Raise to 8.

Folds to SB (600+) calls. Wild guy, calls with a lot, but very unpredictable postflop.

BB calls (has about 150).

Flop Jx8s6s (pot 24)

Check to me, I bet 13, sb folds, bb calls.

Turn Ts. (pot 56)

Check, check.

River 5s. (pot 56)

BB bets 16.. I should raise this, right? like to 55?

So you bet the flop then check when you get a nutty flush draw with those stacks? I don't think so either, OP.

I do not understand what you are saying, jambre. I have 2 clubs in my hand. The board is four spades.

He's saying you can't rep As or Ks since you would not check them on the turn. Raising river is spew, your line wouldn't make any sense.

For your bluff to work the opponent has to be convinced you have a nutty spade in your hand. From the way you played it, it's unlikely.

What kind of range are you putting him on pf? If it's close to atc a raise makes sense cause he is probably folding any non spade hand but is probably looking you up w/ any spade since he is kind of wild and calls a lot. I like the 55 for the sizing though.

River raise is spew, and I'm guessing you are only asking because he had a good spade.

when hero checks the turn i think it could be As xs trying to let the villain improve and or A K, A Q os where one is a spade. Against a loose villain with a wide range pf there is nothing that is screaming he has to have a big spade here. A raise by hero may even fold out some smaller spades as well depending on this villain i think we would need more specific reads though.

Playing As or Ks that way would be horrible. Turn should be bet for value with either of those hands.

lol what.

I would easily check back As/Ks on turn. Why wouldn't I?

Not sure if you're serious or what....but why would you check back a draw to the nuts or second nuts on the turn in such a small pot? Would you check back KsJx or AsJx on the turn? That would be pretty terrible.

from a mathematical point of view i think kinda minraising to 35 can´t be too wrong. you bet 35 to win 72, this only needs to work every 3rd time to show profit, and a bigger raise doesn´t accomplish much, since, like others said, your line doesn´t look convincing.

a villain like this doesn´t have to have a flush, he is gonna fold everything else, but he isn´t folding a big spade either, so raising small accomplishes the same like raising big.

also good for your image if you get caught.

not a fan of the utg open to 8 with QJs. table conditions have to be very specific for this to be any good.

ughhh i hate raising this river as a bluff. most opponents cant fold a flush to save their life

1/2 live players don't fold flushes and I don't see many bet this board on the river without a flush.

This v looks like he has no clue about betsizing...

Pot flop, 2/3 on turn and either block the rvr with a tiny 1/3 bet (bluff disguised as a value bet) or else just c/k fold.

With any luck he will have folded by the turn putting you on the front door flush draw which came in... If he gets to the rvr you are beat here, so giving up is not the worst thing at this point in the hand.

Not sure what I'm reading here.

I have one poster saying to min-raise river (terrible as a bluff as this gets called 90+% of the time)

I have another poster saying "1/2 players don't fold flushes", which is not true.

I have another poster saying "hate the raise UTG in a 6 handed game".

I have another poster saying to "2/3rd pot bet turn (when flush comes in) and to block bet river (IN POSITION?!) what?!"

The only person in this thread that makes sense is wj94, and even he is off base to a large degree.

Mods, lock this up, this is the reason 2p2 is down the drain. No one has any idea what they are talking about.

OP asks for advice, is given pretty good advice that his line is a little FoS for a big flush, and his bet is likely to be snapped a fair % of the time by this described villain.

OP: why would you raise to 55? You're bluffing right, with no reads? Do you think he suddenly bet here with nothing?

Rumor, How is any of this "good advise" when there are 5 posters out of 6 giving terrible advise.

Why raise to 55? Because it's 40 more to call and people fold flushes. Do I think he bet here with nothing? No, but I don't see why he can't have JT/J5/T8/Jx9s/Js7s and just be block betting the river.

I understand you can't win every hand, but when you have a reasonably tight range, and you're raising from utg, and you play your hand this way, I don't see why I can't have KsTx/AsQx/AsKx/KsQx a % of the time.

You could, but you would probably bet those on the turn since there is no reason to pot control such a small pot and they only make up a small part of your range. You would also probably raise those hands more than $8 UTG to avoid getting called by everyone at your table and the table next to you. The $8 raise looks more like a PP trying to build a pot or some type of medium strength drawing hand like TJs-KQs which is exactly what you have. Would you raise TT+ to $8 UTG too? Probably not. This play is too much FPS and is not going to be profitable long-term.

So I should bet turn and bet blank river when I'm called a bunch of times on the turn?

And yes, I raised QQ on sunday to $8. And yesterday with AK to $8.

Why make it $12-14 if I'm only going to get called by 0-1 person whereas I can get called by 2-5 people, play better than them, and have them give me more money when they make worse 1 pair hands.

You should be betting close to pot on the turn. If he raises over a big bet you know you're beat and he will fold most of his medium strength draws and made hands, maybe even KJ/AJ, and if he calls that bet you know he has either a relatively strong made hand or a very strong draw. The flop bet is way too small on a super wet board. If you want to bluff the river, bet big on the turn and bet big on the river, which would actually look like As/Ks instead of the hand that you actually have.

Raising QQ and AK to $8 with a 135bb+ stack is pretty terrible IMO. Your bet sizing needs major work and your logic is way off. Why would you want to get called by 5 people when you have QQ or AK? Against 5 random hands in the top 40% of all starting hands you only have 33% equity with QQ and 24% with AKs, so you are going to lose 2/3 times with QQ when you raise to $8 and get 5 callers, and 3/4 times when you have AK. With smaller pots comes better odds for the other players with drawing hands, so when you have an overpair or TPTK and a high SPR, you are going to get stacked way more often than when you have a low SPR, especially playing them out of position. Big pairs/AK should be raised to $12-18 preflop with a few dollars extra for being out of position and/or limpers.

wj94, have you ever played limit poker?

also, lol @ getting stacked with 1 pair.

Playing limit makes me want to jab an icepick in my eye. lol @ $8 UTG raises with QQ

Closed thread per OP... Did not close thread because of the reasons OP stated.

If you read the FAQs for this forum you will notice that this is a beginners forum. That means that if one is offering up advice that is not purposely bad (trolling) then they are very welcome here. TBH I think you are overreacting when you say that everyone ITT is giving bad advice. If you feel that you are more advanced than they are you probably need to start posting in the med-high stakes forum where you are sure to get the advice you seek.