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Originally Posted by Zidane Valor
I hate raising the turn here, especially if you're going to fold to a shove, for several reasons.
1) There's no draws out there. What are we afraid of? JT? 87? That's really it. I'm not afraid of the diamond draw since it would be of the backdoor variety.
2) If I raise to $75 ($50 more into a $150 pot), I'm not folding to a shove anyway. At that point, I would have to call $100 into a pot of $300. Unless the villain raised pre-flop UTG+1 with 99 or AT, we're well ahead in this hand.
3) Like I said before, on a "dry" board like this with the only hands I'm worried about being exactly JT or exactly 87 (I'm paying off AT or 99 anyway), I'm not taking the lead out of the villain's hands. I don't want the villain to check the river; I want the villain to bet the river. The villain has bet all three streets AND brought in a caller with him. I'm not disrupting that by raising the turn unnecessarily.
This isn't a situation where I'm hoping to "trap". The villains are already doing all of the work for me. There's no reason to disturb them. Just let them keep putting money in the pot without interrupting them.
this post is wretched.
1. Yes there are plenty of draws out there. QJ, 78, J8, KQ, KJ any and all flush draws.
2. Why is anyone folding to a shove? Yes there could be action that would make it a raise/ fold, but I'm almost never folding after raising.
3. "Not taking the lead out of villains hands?" He's betting miniscule amounts on every street. Get some money in the pot. It's hard to make hands. When you do, taking call down lines when a villain is basically throwing out blocking bets seems to be about the worst value line you can take.
If you want to win a big pot money has to go in the middle, waiting till the river certainly doesn't accomplish that. No ones "doing your work for you." It's standard passive poker.
raise the turn. Villains never fold over pairs or big draws. What makes up most of their ranges here?