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04-07-2018 , 12:30 AM
Hey everyone. Apologies in advance for the awkward format. Lurker for maybe a month now, but I think I've found my first spot to post. Some may see this as a simple spot, but I didn't really know which route to take. I'm going to attempt to eat some humble pie and just ask players that are much better than me.


I've been at the table for around 1.5Hrs and so far have seen villian play a few hands, but I feel like I can't extract the correct information from the things I'm seeing. Hence why I am here.

-Villain is Early 20's with a stack of around ($800) Plays online, seems like a small winner overall perhaps, but I cannot be sure of that considering I am not in the position to be saying he is or isn't. Just my guess from his play-style.
-Limped A8o on the BTN after multiple limpers in front of him.
-Called me down with A high on Qc8s2d4c7s after the flop checked around 3 way and I bet a turned FD with (67cc). Bet again on the river, which he called. I think I played this hand not so well, but that's a story for another day.
-I'm sure I missed a few other important hands that could have likely given me more information. I am trying to work on my attention span at the table considering I can get sucked into chatting and not watch hands I am not involved in.


My plan to exploit this player is to tighten up post-flop and value town him considering he obviously sees me as aggressive. Please tell me if this is correct thinking.

Now, OTTH.


Hero is early 20's, UTG with [AKo] with the effective stack of ($200) and opens to ($10)

Villan is in the HJ and 3-bets to ($45)

My thought process is that he is probably capable of 3-betting light although it's his first 3-bet since I sat down. In fact it's the first 3-bet I've seen at this table. The sizing is large and puts my stack in a weird spot. There's not really a good 4-bet size IMO as I don't exactly think getting AKo in preflop against this player is the best way to approach this. I also don't want to call OOP and face a lot of post-flop aggression from this player when I am going to be missing the flop a good percentage of the time. Am I right to think I should just call this raise and keep his range wide? Allow him to blast off post-flop and attempt to take advantage of his likely aggression? Or should I be putting pressure on him with a small 4-bet? Maybe to ($100)? Planning on blasting most flops if he calls with an SPR of 1? Problem being, what if he jams? I am committed right?

These are my thoughts but I can't help but think they are misguided and I am not assessing this correctly. Help a brother out.


Hero???
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04-07-2018 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldenHustle
There's not really a good 4-bet size IMO as I don't exactly think getting AKo in preflop against this player is the best way to approach this.
Why not?

Your choices here are limited to 4-bet (which should be allin but any sizing is committing yourself anyway) or fold. Flatting this size bet OOP with this stack size is a non starter. To fold, you would have to believe this player is unusually tight with his threebetting range, but there's no reason to believe that. Also, his threebet is on the large side, which is an unreliable tell but does tend to indicate that it isn't AA/KK, which tend to size a bit smaller to encourage a call. So jamming is all round very clear here.
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04-07-2018 , 12:59 AM
I think that it allows him to play really well against me if I jam/4bet here. He can just fold his light 3-betting hands and then call/jam with his value. I am correct in thinking this?
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04-07-2018 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldenHustle
then call/jam with his value.
So, what is his value range, and how much equity does AK have versus this range?
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04-07-2018 , 01:12 AM
IMO his value range that will call off a jam is QQ,AA,KK,AK. Maybe he tilt/or just calls off JJ, AQs, but I do not have that read and I will default say he does not. This villain does see me as aggressive so maybe he would call it off lighter? Post-flop he has shown tendencies to call down light. I do not have the proper programs to run the exact equity, but just giving it the eyeball it doesn't look good when I am called.
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04-07-2018 , 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldenHustle
I think that it allows him to play really well against me if I jam/4bet here. He can just fold his light 3-betting hands and then call/jam with his value. I am correct in thinking this?
Unless there's some big meta game going on over weeks and months I'm not sure it's a problem, and your description implies this is the first time you played him. How many 4bets are you likely to make on any said villain in one session? It's unlikely more than two.
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04-07-2018 , 07:38 AM
Ship or fold, probably better to ship but w/e.
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04-07-2018 , 10:03 AM
Ship pre or fold for sure. No way we want to play this hand oop with SPR of 1.

Most marginally thibking players will respect an UTG open so i doubt he is doing this light often. Against AQ+, JJ+ (which is pretty optimistic IMO) you have 50% equity. Against AK, QQ+ you have 40%. Shipping likely can't be too bad of a play but I probably fold here cause I'm a nit and want to avoid a marginal to negative ev high variance situation.

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04-07-2018 , 10:17 AM
I'm shipping this all day, every day. Folding this hand is insane.
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04-07-2018 , 03:12 PM
Hero 4-bets to ($100)

HJ tanks for 30 seconds then Jams.

I call it off obviously. Villain tables KK.
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04-07-2018 , 03:16 PM
It seems like it's a clear spot to just jam or fold. I am not against folding this hand, but I do agree it seems criminal. It seems like the only person that gave some equity/range analysis seems to come to the same conclusion I have. It's a marginal spot. So I'm not understanding the reasoning or logic behind the fist pump jam.
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