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1/2 - Preflop - I need to insta-call this all-in, right? 1/2 - Preflop - I need to insta-call this all-in, right?

05-13-2010 , 04:36 PM
^^^

Plus people will see that you OMG called KQ ALLIN PRE@! Which is a good thing obviously.
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05-13-2010 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by whorasaurus
Agree with the above stereotypes, and imo shorties very often surprise me with how light they will push in this spot. I'd expect to see AT+ and any pair. You might even see A5s.
Not sure why no one has gone further with this...

IME many SS players in a sslnl game turn into one trick ponies. They drop into a tournament mentality of double up or bust out. It's like there is some unwritten rule that you can not rebuy until you lose it all, or that you can not pick up your SS and go home.

I think my base range for the SS player is wider than anyone has suggested here, and gets tweaked with specific player reads/tendencies and game dynamics. But I expect to see Ax a lot, any PP, any two paint cards, bigger SCs and bigger CC (connected cards), e.g. JT, 9T, etc.

With a tighter player I can generally exclude 22-77, SC/CC hands, weak Ax hands and some two paint hands.

With a more loose player I can generally add all SC/CC hands, gapper SC/CC hands, and part that is pure air (read villain's favorite hand and rep'ing a BPP).
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05-13-2010 , 05:32 PM
I call.

A decently conservative range I'd put an unknown SS on here would be 22+, AJ+, A9s+, and a couple random suited connectors in the mix.

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

229,448,736 games 0.511 secs 449,019,052 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.844% 38.84% 01.01% 89110947 2310867.50 { KdQs }
Hand 1: 60.156% 59.15% 01.01% 135716054 2310867.50 { 22+, A9s+, KQs, JTs, 87s, 76s, AJo+ }
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05-13-2010 , 06:51 PM
lol @ people saying fold^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

this is how you make money at poker people, its called doin da maff

you call here, and you call all day with a positive expectation against all but the very tightest players
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05-13-2010 , 07:06 PM
This is an obvious call both from a math and a metagame perspective. You are in good enough shape against his range here to call given the odds, and it would be excessively weak to let a shortstack 33xBB player shove and win a nice uncontested pot off of you when you have 1/3 of the effective stack committed already. You cannot let players like this get away with shoving uncontested like this when you have a playable hand and $20 of a possible $66 committed WITH dead money in the middle.
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05-13-2010 , 11:17 PM
+1 to snippity snap call
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05-13-2010 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by EightFoldPath
IT DEPENDS.
Just last night I folded KQ on the button.
1-2NL MP player raises to $6, 1 caller, I am on the button with KQo, I FOLD.

MP player who raised, had earlier limped in with AQ (flopped TPTK and nut flush draw - checked called to the river) Then had limped in with AK (and complained that AK never wins when he got beat).

Now a player that has done nothing but limp, limp, limp (and shown AQ and AK as some of those limps) NOW THIS GUY OPEN RAISES to $6 ?

What does KQo have beat that this guy is raising on? EASY FOLD.
I think folding KQo here is a mistake.

A) People loves pairs. They could be limping AK but raising hands like 99-JJ.

B) Against the average live player, I would say most 2+2 regulars have a significant on their opponents post-flop edge on their opponents post-flop. With so many 5 way pots in 1/2 live games, how often do you have the best hand going in PF? Especially since you have position, you have the ability to use your post-flop edge against live 1/2 fish, pot control and win huge pots against fish who can't fold mediocre hands.

C) If someone narrows his PF raising range so much that you can basically put him on a hand by his actions, you should definitely call. For example, you know someone can ONLY have AA when he raise from UTG, given the right stack sizes, I will call almost ATC to try to win his stack. Knowing exactly what your opponent has IP is a huge advantage post-flop.

Cash games are not like tournies. In tournies, yea, it is an easy fold, but you can't give up equity like that in cash games in position in multi-way pots. Use your post-flop edge.
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05-14-2010 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by EightFoldPath
IT DEPENDS.
Just last night I folded KQ on the button.
1-2NL MP player raises to $6, 1 caller, I am on the button with KQo, I FOLD.

MP player who raised, had earlier limped in with AQ (flopped TPTK and nut flush draw - checked called to the river) Then had limped in with AK (and complained that AK never wins when he got beat).

Now a player that has done nothing but limp, limp, limp (and shown AQ and AK as some of those limps) NOW THIS GUY OPEN RAISES to $6 ?

What does KQo have beat that this guy is raising on? EASY FOLD.
but its an lol six bucks and you nutpeddle, and it also depends how deep your are with villian you wanna flop the dream J109, J10x, KQ3, etc.

Basically what jim said ^^^^
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05-14-2010 , 08:13 AM
I would make the call but not happy about it. Often you will see 77-JJ here for a flip, or you are crushed AK/AQ and KK/AA. I could make the fold if the player was tight and would only ship here with QQ+ and AQ+.
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