1/2 NL, 10 handed. Effective stack with CO and BB is about $150 each.
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Folded to hero in HJ who opens A J $10, loose passive in CO calls, tight passive OTB who almost never raises shoves for $31, and loose passive in BB calls. Am I crazy for considering folding?
Nope. Not if you are way behind his range. If you can outplay the others and are sure CO is not going to raise but will call, a call is fine. But there is nothing wrong with folding here.
Nothing wrong with folding. A tight passive player is never shoving here without a real hand, and you're either flipping or dominated. Calling isn't terrible since you could play for a nice side pot with two loose passive players.
Forget the side pot. ISO the nit and grab your 20% and hopefully get lucky and open up a seat. You also have to remember that the nit guy is going to be a little wider with only $31 to worry about. Any pair is going to look good. It's a mistake to let the others see a board. 31 dollars, jfc.
That sounds like a really bad idea imo...Basically never ahead of BTN and that likely pushes two bad players off
I'm pretty sure about the advice btw. I don't think there are any better options for you assuming the BB cold call isn't a strong range. You need 20% against some BTN guy who has $31 and is taking up a seat. You are going to have to flop the best hand against the other two in a highly protected pot and their combined equity plus the BTN guy has you in a bad spot when it goes 4 ways. I don't like having to 'make the best hand' , you're not that deep either, which is why I really like getting in AJ even against QQ+AK at a discount because of the juiced pot. You're 25% against that range btw. Ship it and make the others squirm in their seats, worst case is it 'cost you' $21 for a $100 pot and guaranteed realization of your equity, again at a discount, even against the strongest range possible. That's better than 0ev, especially when the others are so often folding pre.
Shoving makes such little sense. You are so far behind tight/passive BTN who almost never raises. He's been waiting a long time for AA/KK/QQ/JJ (maybe AKs), and now we want to "isolate" him with AJo?
Would be even worse if CO/BB are really loose/passive and have JJ/QQ/KK/AK/AQ (think GG) and now you've given them the perfect way to play their hand (although GG would fold AQ).
Do the math. Guy has $30 he is wider than usual. As long as he doesn’t have AA exactly were priced/pricing ourselves in. If BB didn’t call it’s a laughable fold.
How in the world do you know this? We are told player is tight passive and almost never raises, yet you know better? I know players who will wait for only AA/KK/QQ and maybe JJ before shoving a short stack, even $30. Heck, I know players who will call the $10 pre with a $30 stack and fold if an A comes and they don't have an A!
If OP gives a wide range for shorty (AX, any pair, any broadway, etc.), shoving is fine, but I still hope the other passive villains aren't sitting on AK/AQ, JJ, etc., because they have only $150 and might decide, "Why not, the price is right." I know a few passive players who could easily have KK/QQ here, although most would have raise AA already.
Ran my equity vs villain's perceived range and we're a 69-31 dog, so I suppose if we are certain the other two will fold, it's not a bad iso shove. However, my only fear is that this allows the other two to call with better and fold worse. Javanewt is spot on, one/both of the loose passives could be very strong.
Ran my equity vs villain's perceived range and we're a 69-31 dog, so I suppose if we are certain the other two will fold, it's not a bad iso shove. However, my only fear is that this allows the other two to call with better and fold worse. Javanewt is spot on, one/both of the loose passives could be very strong.
They don't have much worse than AJ, folding is great. The pot is $80, why allow the passive players to have at it when you can get it at a huge discount. Maybe they do fold better. Maybe the button isn't wider than QQ+/AK, but maybe that doesn't even matter and if he has those hands then the other two even more rarely do.
They don't have much worse than AJ, folding is great. The pot is $80, why allow the passive players to have at it when you can get it at a huge discount. Maybe they do fold better. Maybe the button isn't wider than QQ+/AK, but maybe that doesn't even matter and if he has those hands then the other two even more rarely do.
I put his shoving range in that specific spot as 88-AA, AK, AQ
The two passive players could have much, much worse than AJ, especially BB
How in the world do you know this? We are told player is tight passive and almost never raises, yet you know better? I know players who will wait for only AA/KK/QQ and maybe JJ before shoving a short stack, even $30. Heck, I know players who will call the $10 pre with a $30 stack and fold if an A comes and they don't have an A!
If OP gives a wide range for shorty (AX, any pair, any broadway, etc.), shoving is fine, but I still hope the other passive villains aren't sitting on AK/AQ, JJ, etc., because they have only $150 and might decide, "Why not, the price is right." I know a few passive players who could easily have KK/QQ here, although most would have raise AA already.
Worst case scenario for shorty:
Equity Winst Split
24.32% 24.03% 0.29% { AJo }
75.68% 75.40% 0.29% { QQ+ }
We are getting 4:1 on a call, so we only need 20% to break even. Folding and giving up an 4% equity edge is already a BIG leak. So how much equity do you think we will be giving up if he has something more reasonable like 88+,AQ+ here?
Now think about how wide preflop calling ranges typically are at 1-2, and what % of those hands have us dominated, or even beat. Folding out all that equity when the main pot is protected will compensate more than enough for the times we get called and lose. This is pretty much an unexploitable shove.
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$10, loose passive in CO calls, tight passive OTB who almost never raises shoves for $31, and loose passive in BB calls. Am I crazy for considering folding?
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