This is generally a very tight 1-2 NL game at this casino and I recognize at least half of the table, a couple of tight (in some cases ultra tight) players, a couple of guys who don't appear to be particularly tight, or particularly smart or savvy players, and one drunken sputtering idiot, who is in every hand, most hands for 15-25 preflop. He has a stack of 600+ covering everyone at the table, and I am sitting in the dream seat to his immediate left.

In the half hour I've been at the table, I've reraised his preflop raises 2-3 times and he has folded preflop to me every time. So I've won a few decent pots without showing anything down and the table has noticed this.

EP Tight Player (180) makes it 11 preflop, Drunkie calls, Hero (235) sees KK and just limps, and the Button and BB call.

Now I know I should have reraised here, and not just limped after there were already two people, and I could have made it like 35 or so if I wanted a little action or something like 45 if I wanted it less I feel like. How do others feel about this?

But as the thread title says, I know I misplayed the hand preflop, but now I must go on with life...

Flop (56) KJ8 Gin!

First two players (including drunken mess) check, and Hero bets 30 and gets called by the Button who has the second biggest stack at the table, all other players fold.

Turn (116) 4s Hero?


I'll post results later, I wonder what you guys would do here, and what you'll think of what I did. Thanks.

Can I ask why you decided to limp?

AP I think you are dominating the K department and a J probably won't call another bet, FDs and SDs with a mix of combo draws in his range, I'm bombing turn before he doesn't suck out on us (and call no bets on river) and to charge him if he wants to try. 90+

On such a draw heavy board I would have gone 45-50 on flop. As played make it 90-95 on turn and shove river.

Once that flop hits, just figure out sizing to stack Villain by the river.

you didn't limp. you called a raise, rather than 3-betting.

as played you got a dream flop, start shoveling money in.

on the turn, i'd bet $75.

continue?

That's not the dream seat. It is actually the worst seat.

The fact that he's drunk and raising every hand, he's the equivalent of a new "big blind". What's the position immediate to the left of the big blind? Exactly.

I doubt the table noticed that you won a few pots preflop.

Horrible. You're playing against a tight player and a drunk guy, and you chose the least profitable line pre.

Best move you have made so far.

You didn't provide any read on button, so I'll just go with my default read of an unknown.

Bet big, try $90.

Your range looks capped and highly suspicious, so why not exploit that.

River is a clear shove regardless what comes.

Flop bet fine
Turn bet 85ish
River depends on villain and stack sizes

I hate the overcall preflop with kings but as you have already identified and acknowledged that we can move on to the flop.

You hit gin but the flop is very wet so personally I'd bet more closer to pot $45-50.

The turn is a brick but again you want to protect against and charge draws so I'd bet $80-95.

You're basically shoving any river without a diamond unless you hit a boat. If a Q, 10, or 9 of diamonds hits on the river maybe you can check/fold but even then it's tough.

42 on flop. 90 on turn. Loads of draws here so betting bigger on the flop will get loads of calls and inflates the pot do we can get more money in on later streets.

This guy doesn't sound as crazy as u think. He opens loads but folds when u 3bet!

i´d def 3bet, and i think it´s a big mistake not to, but you already know that yourself.
as played, bet more on the flop.

as played now, i think we chose a fancy line here. once you entered the area of fancyland this deeply, there is no way back . c/shove turn

Grunch:

I think your flop bet is too small. This board is sopping wet, there are 4 other players, and you have the nuts. If you're ever going to bomb it, isn't now the time?

As played, you have 196 back that you want to get in. I'd just chop up my stack into 85/111 or close to that, maybe 75/121 instead--though if the river is a brick I might check instead of shoving myself. I'd be targeting draws on the turn, and most of the time the turn will be the last street they'll call.

Everyone here loves a 3bet preflop, and I totally agree that I should have 3bet, but what amount should I have three bet to?

A 40 pre/60 flop/shove turn line should get the stacks in fine.

As played, I agree with everything CallMeVernon said. $75 on turn is fine. River may or may not be a shove (though you're clearly looking to get it in; there just might be more value in letting him bluff) depending on reads on the button, which we don't have. If you had 88 or JJ I'd always shove, but with KK it's a little closer because there are fewer value hands in his range he can call a river shove with and therefore comparatively more bricked draws you'd prefer to let bluff it off.

Clearly it depends on your absolute and relative positions, and table dynamics.

EP and MP, bigger to charge for those that may call behind.

LP, more flexible room to 3-bet smaller to keep certain targets in the hand.

Table dynamics are also important, such as history of 3-bets, average raise sizes, post-flop tendencies, stack sizes, etc...

There are many factors involved.

Or you could just pretend none of these factors matter and just pick an arbitrary number that would keep your SPR below 2.

I'm definitely 3betting preflop with two players already interested (including a tight opener).

Flop is very drawy and a lot of cards could come to kill action or hand. We're in a 5way pot, including 1 fish. I'd probably pot the flop or even slightly overpot it so that I can shove a ~PSB on the turn. This isn't the board to slowplay / etc. over 3 streets.

As played, I would just keep betting to set up a river shove.

GA,thenB,thenCG

If it was me I'd raise somewhere between $40-50. You narrow the field and you still may get a call from the drooler or even the tight player if he has a hand.

Not sure WTF is going on here. This hand is sooooooooooooo simple.

Pre been covered.

Flop we have a very multiway, very wet board, where us having top set limits the medium strength hands we can get value from.

Betting half pot is massive mistake IMO

60 OTF.

Turn I'm jamming if it is about pot size. Villain are just not folding draws on the flop. They didn't call with 89dd pre to fold the flop, same with QT so just value the fooooook out of them.

These are really key pots for your win rate and ballsing them up is more important than whether you iso one limper with QT fro the HJ etc.

I see breakeven/winnig regs miss sooooooo much value from fish because they have an idea in thier head about "proper" sizing that fails to stack fish.

+1

The difference between someone calling a 1/2+ PSB vs a slight overbet on the flop is almost exactly zero. No one is folding a draw or TP / etc. here for anything that isn't a crazy bet (i.e. like 2xPSB), so get the maximum value while we have a chance (plus setting ourselves up for an easy turn play).

GQisbackinthehouse!G

Turn (116) 4s, Hero bets out 80. Villain takes forever and eventually folds asking Hero, "did you just have diamonds there?"

Seems like this is pretty close to the line most of you advocated (ignoring the lack of 3bet preflop).