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1/2 poorly played draw? 1/2 poorly played draw?

03-02-2020 , 06:17 PM
Background: Hero has a tight image and has been folding a fair amount of flops when he missed. Hasn’t seen many flops and hasn’t gone to showdown that often. First time at the room.

Villain: Reg who is known at the room came to the table and was angry about it not being a $400 cap game. Has a tendency to play any ace like it is the nuts. Definitely overvalues his hands a little.

OTTH:

UTG, UTG+1, MP all fold
MP1, LP both limp
Hero (~$300) raises CO to $15 with 10J
Villain in BU call (~$500)
SB fold
BB calls

Flop ($45) - A:96
BB checks
Hero checks
Villain bets $40
BB fold
Hero calls

I’m getting 3:1 on the call so I think it’s the right play let me know if you disagree.

Turn ($120) - 10
Hero check
Villain bets $75
Hero tank calls

Not sure a check was the right play. At this point I was fairly confident he was had an Ace okay kicker and was just value betting it. Seeing that I turned the 10 and the A is on the board I think I should have lead out mainly because I was ahead of every naked club draw most of which would be worse than mine. In the event he had an Ax hand with an okay kicker he would be put in a bad spot seeing as I could have aces better than his.

River ($270) 2
Hero checks
Villain goes all in for ~$190
Hero folds

Obvious fold here, but I showed my hand and he tabled A8 for top pair bad kicker. Really don’t like the play on the turn, but I’m not sure if a lead was the better play of a x/r jam was the best play there.

Last edited by Bill_MAn618; 03-02-2020 at 06:28 PM. Reason: Messed up the flop
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03-02-2020 , 06:22 PM
As the PFR I can’t fathom why you stopped firing OTF and OTT. I’d be emptying the clip...
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03-02-2020 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by twitcherroo
As the PFR I can’t fathom why you stopped firing OTF and OTT. I’d be emptying the clip...
I just edited it to correct the mistake I made reporting the flop. I didn’t have the straight draw. Is this the main reason why you would be so aggressive? Or would you take that same line with just the flush draw?
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03-02-2020 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill_MAn618
I just edited it to correct the mistake I made reporting the flop. I didn’t have the straight draw. Is this the main reason why you would be so aggressive? Or would you take that same line with just the flush draw?
It makes a difference. I’m still c-betting as the PFR but Not quite full ‘empty the clip’ mode. With the combo draw I’m trying to shove flop to maximize FE with ~45% equity when called. With a flush draw and only BDSD I’m aggressive but not ******ed.

Once I bink a T OTT I’m firing the turn as well.
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03-02-2020 , 06:50 PM
C bet flop $30. Check raise turn.
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03-02-2020 , 08:00 PM
I cant make sense of your thought process here. Check flop, lead turn, then something on the river?

Here's a better line; x/r the flop HARD. Blast the turn, jam the river if you can squeeze out a 60% pot sized bet.

OR

Just barrel flop/turn and check back river.
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03-02-2020 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by javi
I cant make sense of your thought process here. Check flop, lead turn, then something on the river?

Here's a better line; x/r the flop HARD. Blast the turn, jam the river if you can squeeze out a 60% pot sized bet.

OR

Just barrel flop/turn and check back river.
I didn’t lead turn or call any river bet. The action stated that I x/called both of those streets and folded to a jam on the river. I agree that a x/r is likely the better play on the turn, however, could you elaborate as to why you would x/r flop, blast turn, and then jam river. I think jamming river here is just torching money based on villains line. I think maybe a x/call flop and x/r turn turn to like $175-$185 would be a better line. This would leave me enough to put a small ~$90 jam if I hit and while still being large enough to have some chance of villain folding an Ax hand.
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03-03-2020 , 07:54 PM
There are two big issues here.

First, you raised preflop and then checked when you the table is expecting a continuation bet. I would have fired here.

But the bigger mistake is that you have an A flush and overcards working for you. That means you are 50% to win if you can see both cards through to the river.

Once you checked and V bet, I would have c/r'd if not gone all in.
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03-03-2020 , 11:50 PM
I understand what you did, I was merely commenting on what you wished you had done with the weird turn bet.

The only reason to x/r flop is because you felt BTN is stab happy and likes to play pots. He'll see this as an opportunity when checked to him and check raising shows A LOT of strength. Since we're out of position it's going to be hard to get paid if we hit our flush anyway so we're not exactly looking to make our draw and are perfectly content with just semi-bluffing the hell out of it. It's a bit circumstantial and relies heavily upon your read that BTN will bet when checked to, which is why I suggest ordinarily you just bet the flop and turn yourself considering how much you improved.
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03-04-2020 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Vespidae
There are two big issues here.

First, you raised preflop and then checked when you the table is expecting a continuation bet. I would have fired here.

But the bigger mistake is that you have an A flush and overcards working for you. That means you are 50% to win if you can see both cards through to the river.

Once you checked and V bet, I would have c/r'd if not gone all in.
I’m a little confused by your wording in both points I don't really see how I’m 50% to win on this board when I don’t have any overs. You say I do and then contradict mentioning the Ac on the board. With this flush draw I felt calling was the right play, but a lead would also be good. On the turn however after thinking over the hand (and considering the fact that I was confident Villain had weak ace) I think a jam in this spot would be the best play in order to maximize pressure on his Ax hands that are ahead. As played I think the line I took was to passive which has shown me a leak in my game that I need to fix.
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03-04-2020 , 02:05 PM
You’re right. I misread it. Lemme think about it as soon as my boss leaves.
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03-04-2020 , 06:51 PM
With a flush draw and backdoor straight draw we have to be cbetting this flop. Although if I did decide to check I would for sure be check/raising the V here on the flop.
I don't like a lead on the turn either. As played I guess check/calling is fine.
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