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1/2 playing pocket 10s vs TAG 1/2 playing pocket 10s vs TAG

09-07-2018 , 09:32 PM
Hero($180 SB) 20s African American female. Seen as extremely conservative. 7 orbits and she has not limped or even raised a hand pre flop.

Villian 1 ($500 CO) MAWG. Is tight agressive. Seems to be having a hard time letting go of hands.

Hero is given 10 10

3 limpers, one of the folders in early position angled his cards to accidentally reveal A before it hit the muck, I saw it but not sure if anyone else saw this.

Villian on the CO makes it $12. bTn calls $12

Hero makes it $30.

All 3 limpers snap fold. And Villian 1 takes a moment and calls the $30.

bTn folds

Flop ( $80-rake) 2 A 8

Hero bets 50

Thoughts preflop and on flop
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09-07-2018 , 09:37 PM
You’re supposed to let the table know if you see an exposed card
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09-08-2018 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by catlax30
You’re supposed to let the table know if you see an exposed card
+1, was just gonna start my post with this.

$30 is MASSIVELY too small preflop OOP here. The pot is about $40 before you even put in a raise (just with your $12 call). You should be making it about at least $50 here, if not $60.

As an aside: Lol at Btn folding for $18 more after pfr called. Wow.

As played pre, given your knowledge of the A being burned, I think maybe you should be checking flop to induce a bluff by pfr and calling down. Not even sure if knowing 1 ace is burned makes this a good idea or not.

If you're going to bet, you should be betting really small here since the board is soooo dry. Something like $30 again should be sufficient. If he jams, you could consider calling with your extra knowledge. V might think you have KK and are scared of the ace.

If V calls the $30, I'd probably just shut down on turn and river.
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09-08-2018 , 01:07 AM
Honestly I just call preflop. When there are a few limpers, and the cutoff raises I think he likely has at least a decent hand. Such as an AJ+, 88+, and maybe KQ. TT is ahead of this range but we don't really want to bloat the pot OOP with a hand as vulnerable as TT. Also stack-to-pot ratio's get a bit awkward with your stack size. If you 3 bet, you will have to stack off on low flops and you will often get owned against JJ-QQ pretty often when he calls down. Also given your image, you are sorta overplaying your hand.

That being said, if you are going to 3 bet you have to make it bigger. Raising to $30 is going to get almost no fold equity and you will often go 3 way to the flop. Most flops will contain atleast one overcard and will leave you in a very difficult position OOP.

As played, I like checking and evaluating. A large part of his range includes an ace (even though one ace is dead), and it is still possible that he has a bigger pocket pair then you but I would discount KK because he didn't 4bet. Honestly if he bets the flop, I would probably fold.

What are you trying to accomplish with your bet on the flop? If he has an ace he is never folding. He might fold JJ-QQ but this is a very small part of his range.
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09-08-2018 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow

As played pre, given your knowledge of the A being burned, I think maybe you should be checking flop to induce a bluff by pfr and calling down.
The problem with checking the flop is that any J, Q, K puts an overcard (directly in Villain's range) on the board. I'd be much more willing to check this flop with KK than TT, especially with the realization that one of the aces is out of play.
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09-08-2018 , 10:53 AM
If you are going to be 3betting here preflop, it definitely needs to be bigger.
AP-I I would cbet about 35. I'm not against checking back either, but I would prefer to be checking back with a bigger pair. With TT, there are more overcards that can come on the turn that I would prefer to charge.
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09-09-2018 , 09:55 PM
Results:

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Hero bets $50 on flop
Villain thinks and folds face up pockets King's!

I clearly got lucky with going heads up with this villain as I played my 10 quite dangerously. Thanks for the advice as I definitely learned from this
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09-10-2018 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by fun101
Honestly I just call preflop. When there are a few limpers, and the cutoff raises I think he likely has at least a decent hand. Such as an AJ+, 88+, and maybe KQ. TT is ahead of this range but we don't really want to bloat the pot OOP with a hand as vulnerable as TT. Also stack-to-pot ratio's get a bit awkward with your stack size. If you 3 bet, you will have to stack off on low flops and you will often get owned against JJ-QQ pretty often when he calls down. Also given your image, you are sorta overplaying your hand.

That being said, if you are going to 3 bet you have to make it bigger. Raising to $30 is going to get almost no fold equity and you will often go 3 way to the flop. Most flops will contain atleast one overcard and will leave you in a very difficult position OOP.

As played, I like checking and evaluating. A large part of his range includes an ace (even though one ace is dead), and it is still possible that he has a bigger pocket pair then you but I would discount KK because he didn't 4bet. Honestly if he bets the flop, I would probably fold.

What are you trying to accomplish with your bet on the flop? If he has an ace he is never folding. He might fold JJ-QQ but this is a very small part of his range.
This is way too weak preflop given stacks. Just FYI, we are sb and there's already 16.5 bb dead out there. And we have a good hand.

The problem is the size. This is wayyyyyyyy too small of a 3 bet OOP. I go 4x with my 3 bets OOP against just an initial raiser. I add an additional multiple for each cold caller. And I add an additional blind for each limper. So here I'd be making it 5*12 + 3*2 = 66. Very comfortable to 3 bet / call it off here. Especially given description that this is a TAG who probably isn't irrationally afraid of cooler situations.

As for OP a few things:

1) if a card is exposed, you should let the table know. It's only fair
2) rather than worrying about how to play TT on this texture in 3 bet pot, the better question is how to play your range. For me it'd be something like: bet 25-35% pot with AQ/AK/bluffs/middling pocket pairs, check weaker aces and KK/QQ/JJ sometimes, mix it up with top set of AA by betting small sometimes and checking sometimes. Generally you'll want to be betting boards like this small because there's no real drawing hands to charge, and the board is already scary enough to help your bluffs profit. Plus you can have AA and he can't. You're more likely to have AK/AQ too. These are all monsters here and would want to get all the $ in. Plus when you have TT and bet 30% pot and get a fold from KJ, that's a fine result. Betting > 60% pot here makes no sense; it gives bluffs slightly more success by chasing out non-Ax hands more frequently but that's too small a part of his range to matter. Plus when you do have it here, you want those hands in the pot.

Last edited by jdr0317; 09-10-2018 at 12:23 AM.
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09-10-2018 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by DrChesspain
The problem with checking the flop is that any J, Q, K puts an overcard (directly in Villain's range) on the board. I'd be much more willing to check this flop with KK than TT, especially with the realization that one of the aces is out of play.
The distinct advantage you have, being viewed as very tight, allows for you to make these plays, with or without 10's. But, you have to absolutely make your 3 bet larger, if that is the line you are choosing to take. $55/$60. I think you have to continue on the flop. You can down bet the flop, with your stack size, and play accordingly after V's action.
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