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07-20-2010 , 12:54 PM

ranil

adept

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 714

1-2 home NL game. villain is an avg player, no specific reads. villain see me as a good player.
hero stack- 250, villain stack- 190.

folded to hero, raise to 5 with A

villain SB call BB fold.

flop A

, villain check, hero bet 8, villain calls.

turn: 2

villain checks, hero bet 20, villain calls.

river: J

villain check, hero?

i bet big because i didnt want to give him a good price to chase.
i think there is a chance im getting a call from other aces, maybe even KQ QT, but villain can also have hands that beat me like two pair or an ugly str8.
do u value bet here??

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07-20-2010 , 12:57 PM

papagavin

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,628

I'd bet big and fold to a re raise. The JT double gutter draw missed as did the flush draw and villain may make a hero call with an A or Q imo, if he thinks your capable of three barreling the flush draw.

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07-20-2010 , 01:02 PM

Suitedbut

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 581

B/f 40.

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07-20-2010 , 01:04 PM

venice10

Referee

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 25,852

In a home game where I expect to see the villain often, I think the +EV play long term is to see what he's playing and check behind. If he called down with A7 or a FD, you'll be able to collect for years.

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07-20-2010 , 01:10 PM

IWearSportsJerseys

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Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,697

If I were to see the FD, I might not be as surprised assuming that your villain has a concept of implied odds. A7, yeah, I would be ecstatic. My only concern is that if it is checked behind, wouldn't the hero be forced to show first as the last bettor?

I think B/F 30ish is a good line.

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07-20-2010 , 01:47 PM

KurtSF

Lucky Number Seven

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 16,471

I would need to see some stationy tendencies from villain to bet here. The better villain is, the more likely I am to check. $30 is good.

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07-20-2010 , 02:23 PM

masaraksh

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 5,250

Nice raise pre lol.

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07-20-2010 , 02:28 PM

IWearSportsJerseys

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Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,697

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Originally Posted by masaraksh

Nice raise pre lol.

I agree with the sarcastic comment in its sarcastic context--with AK, your goal is to gain isolation against a single opponent, and although you have achieved it, a raise to $5 at most B+M establishments will get 5+ callers.

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07-20-2010 , 09:57 PM

venice10

Referee

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 25,852

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Originally Posted by IWearSportsJerseys

My only concern is that if it is checked behind, wouldn't the hero be forced to show first as the last bettor?

In a poker room, yes. This is a home game and it is much more likely to be able to manipulate the caller to show. I admit it depends on the OP status in the game. In the home games I play, I'm seen as the go to person for rulings because people know I play regularly in rooms and on-line. There's a few perks to make up for the obvious disadvantages.

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07-20-2010 , 11:19 PM

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jmark

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Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,790

Raise more preflop. River depends on villain -- if he is your typical live player bet 1/2 to 2/3 the pot. You make a lot of money from value betting the river live.

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07-20-2010 , 11:48 PM

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w00t77

adept

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,037

Valuebet 35, see calls from Ax, hero calls frm Qx..since every draw missed, assuming villain thinks u barrel with good draws

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07-21-2010 , 12:32 AM

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br3nt00

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,664

i check behind here

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