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Old 08-09-2018, 12:01 AM   #1
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1/2 Passive Play leads to Sticky Situation, w/ AQ in the SB

The game had been playing pretty weak passive overall. There were a couple of players limp calling $15-25 pf w/ marginal hands. Also, there were at least of a couple of players overlimp calling QQ and KK pf. The aforementioned QQ was by V1 in the next hand. No history w/ V2, they have been raising every other hand pf, anywhere from $12-$25. Seems like he might be drunk, but in the euporic stages and not drinking at the moment.

Hero, $400, TAG, AQ, SB
V1, $125, weak passive, UTG+1
V2, $350, late 30's Hispanic man, loose, does a lot of raising pf and betting post flop, LAG, HJ

V1 raises to $6, both V2 and I call.
Pot: $18
Flop: AT7

Action checks around.
Pot: $18
Turn: Jc

I bet $12, V1 calls, and V2 raises to $50. I call and V1 folds.
Pot: $130
River: 6c

I check and V2 causally double checks the board and river card mid conversation with his buddy sitting behind him, and bets $90.

Hero?
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Old 08-09-2018, 12:17 AM   #2
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Re: 1/2 Passive Play leads to Sticky Situation, w/ AQ in the SB

If they're raising with very high frequency I would likely reraise preflop and hit the flop again. If you are raised I would let it go then but if you're gonna play that hand, out of position and flop top pair and not play it aggressively against these guys who seem to be splashy like you say then don't bother playing it at all because otherwise, you're only playing to flop top two or better.
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Old 08-09-2018, 12:32 AM   #3
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Re: 1/2 Passive Play leads to Sticky Situation, w/ AQ in the SB

I'd prefer to threebet or fold pre but it's not a capital crime.

Turn looks like an easy fold, this guy is not going to pass up bluffing the flop and then bluff the turn instead when there's been a bet and a call. Calling the river would be completely absurd, the only hope you had OTT was that he turned a club draw.
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Old 08-09-2018, 12:50 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2 Passive Play leads to Sticky Situation, w/ AQ in the SB

3bet or fold pre.

Fold turn, and fold river.

But good lord 3bet pre.
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Old 08-09-2018, 02:49 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2 Passive Play leads to Sticky Situation, w/ AQ in the SB

I flat pre. Check flop.
OTT it's a bet/fold for me until someone exploits me which hasn't happened yet
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Old 08-09-2018, 02:59 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2 Passive Play leads to Sticky Situation, w/ AQ in the SB

Gotta toss those cards in the muck on the turn. Q is decent blocker to have but that really won't matter in this spot in low stakes vs the V
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Old 08-09-2018, 04:18 PM   #7
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Re: 1/2 Passive Play leads to Sticky Situation, w/ AQ in the SB

3-bet or fold pre

fold turn you only beat a complete bluff here
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Old 08-09-2018, 07:31 PM   #8
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Re: 1/2 Passive Play leads to Sticky Situation, w/ AQ in the SB

3b or fold pre.

Flop fine

Turn fine bet but fold vs raise
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Old 08-09-2018, 07:51 PM   #9
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Re: 1/2 Passive Play leads to Sticky Situation, w/ AQ in the SB

Turn seems meh, but since the Villain is not blackout drunk this seems like an easy river fold.
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Old 08-10-2018, 11:58 AM   #10
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Re: 1/2 Passive Play leads to Sticky Situation, w/ AQ in the SB

Thanks everyone, I appreciate all of the input. Seems like the consensus is to 3b or fold pf. I chose not to 3b due to being in the Sb and the pfr size being so small. I didn't think that I would be put to the test like this very often, and against probably 90% of the field, this hand probably plays differently, or at least I am up against a much more passive player that makes turn raise more transparent. I think that the turn b/f assessment is also a good one, as I often let the b/f axiom escape me.

For a little post hand history context, I played this hand w/ same villain from above. I butchered things trying to get fancy:

Same scenario from above, except villain has an additional $100 or so in his stack.

MP limps, V in HJ raises to $12, hero in the SB 3b to $40. Action folds to V who makes a sort of crying call, after looking shocked that I made a 3b.
Pot: $80
Flop: 843

(This is where I start the blunder) I check, looking to put in a x/r as I think that V is going to fire at me with a lot of air. V checks it back. I like looking for a x/r in this spot w/ AA & KK, maybe QQ, but JJ in retrospect is not a good candidate.
Pot: $80
Turn: Q

I don't love or hate this card. I check and V bets $50. This line seems to hearken back to the previous one. I think that there are definitely some Q's in V's range. I also think that V could be taking a stab at a decent sized pot that I have shown a lot of passivity in w/ a hand that looks a lot like AK. I call.
Pot: $180
River: K

I'm not sure what to think about this card exactly, I don't really like another over card coming, but I am not sure what K high hands were betting the turn other than maybe AK, KQ (likely), KTs. V bets $80. After thinking about the hand from the op, I feel like this line is kind of bluffy, I don't see many K's that go for this sort of value otr, and I don't see any Q's taking this line at all really. I end up making a call and V shows
Spoiler:
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Not sure if I should have made a new thread for this HH, but it seemed like good a good follow-up to include here with the context from the original hand posted.
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Old 08-10-2018, 12:16 PM   #11
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Re: 1/2 Passive Play leads to Sticky Situation, w/ AQ in the SB

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Thanks everyone, I appreciate all of the input. Seems like the consensus is to 3b or fold pf. I chose not to 3b due to being in the Sb and the pfr size being so small. I didn't think that I would be put to the test like this very often, and against probably 90% of the field, this hand probably plays differently, or at least I am up against a much more passive player that makes turn raise more transparent. I think that the turn b/f assessment is also a good one, as I often let the b/f axiom escape me.

For a little post hand history context, I played this hand w/ same villain from above. I butchered things trying to get fancy:

Same scenario from above, except villain has an additional $100 or so in his stack.

MP limps, V in HJ raises to $12, hero in the SB 3b to $40. Action folds to V who makes a sort of crying call, after looking shocked that I made a 3b.
Pot: $80
Flop: 81/2 Passive Play leads to Sticky Situation, w/ AQ in the SB41/2 Passive Play leads to Sticky Situation, w/ AQ in the SB:31/2 Passive Play leads to Sticky Situation, w/ AQ in the SB

(This is where I start the blunder) I check, looking to put in a x/r as I think that V is going to fire at me with a lot of air. V checks it back. I like looking for a x/r in this spot w/ AA & KK, maybe QQ, but JJ in retrospect is not a good candidate.
Pot: $80
Turn: Q1/2 Passive Play leads to Sticky Situation, w/ AQ in the SB:

I don't love or hate this card. I check and V bets $50. This line seems to hearken back to the previous one. I think that there are definitely some Q's in V's range. I also think that V could be taking a stab at a decent sized pot that I have shown a lot of passivity in w/ a hand that looks a lot like AK. I call.
Pot: $180
River: K1/2 Passive Play leads to Sticky Situation, w/ AQ in the SB:

I'm not sure what to think about this card exactly, I don't really like another over card coming, but I am not sure what K high hands were betting the turn other than maybe AK, KQ (likely), KTs. V bets $80. After thinking about the hand from the op, I feel like this line is kind of bluffy, I don't see many K's that go for this sort of value otr, and I don't see any Q's taking this line at all really. I end up making a call and V shows
Spoiler:
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Not sure if I should have made a new thread for this HH, but it seemed like good a good follow-up to include here with the context from the original hand posted.
Did you have jj? If so, I would have barreled that flop hard. And the turn. If he's super agro possibly check raise the turn and fold to resistance but I'm definitely betting that flop. Fml Jack's haha.

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