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12-03-2015 , 02:03 AM
1/2 Live. $4 Straddle only allowed UTG.

Hero($240). Is a young, hoodie wearing reg. Hasnt said much besides complimenting V1 on his watch when he sat down. Hoodie up, headphones in, keeps too himself.

V1($650). Is a well dressed Israeli tourist. Weak-passive, hero calling with middle pair, calling with suited junk, etc. But seems to understand the game too a certain extent. Doubled up when he called a raise from BB with 62s and doubled thru AA when he check shoved a Q22 flop. Has also won a few pots without showdown

V2($400). Is a reg fish, straddles every orbit and will %100 raise straddle if limped too, and will complete with almost any two if raised before him. Any Ax/Kx/ offsuit gappers/suited anything. Running good, but can get aggressive in spots. Saw him earlier value c/r? QT on T43r and get jammed on by JT, and ended up doubling up. (livelolaments)

OTTH:

Preflop:
V2. Straddles. Folds too V1 in the SB who makes it 15, Hero calls in BB with A4 (3b/fold?), V2 calls in the straddle.

Flop($45): KQ4
V1 cbets for 15, Hero calls(Raise?), V2 makes it $40 total, V1 cold calls, Hero makes it $125. Both Vs fold.

My thoughts on this hand:
I think i could have 3b or folded pre, but with V2 certainly calling very wide, i thought calling would be okay.
On the flop V1 is certainly cbetting very wide in this spot. From what i've seen from him he is probably very light in this spot.
After his small cbet I figured a call was fine, if V2 folds i can comfortably play the turn IP against V1 with the nut draw + a bluffcatcher. Thoughts on a raise in this spot?
After V2 raised so small and V1 just flatted, I decided to 3b to 125 because how capped V1 in this spot to one pair hands/draws, and figuring the absolute top of V2s range in this spot to be KQ, which we are flipping against. Also if we flat the raise our hand is pretty much face up.

Any thought on my line? Fold/3b pre? Just call V1s flop lead?
All opinions appreciated, thanks.
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12-03-2015 , 04:49 AM
3 bet pre or call are probably both fine but I like the IP 3 bet as you're often taking it down right there (this changes however if you think the straddle will call your 3 bet a ton because SB will then have odds to call and you're in a big pot with marginal holdings).
I like a raise OTF and I don't mind getting it in with this hand as the only hand we're not a favorite over is a set and AK.
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12-03-2015 , 05:05 AM
3 betting preflop would be pretty bad. A weak passive player made is 7.5x from the sb. Not knowing anything else about game dynamics, this tells me that he's going to respond to a 3 bet by 4 betting very frequently, which would suck. We aren't that deep given the sizing, but if he's straightforward enough postflop calling is fine.

I think flop is standard.

Edit: Wow, never mind, didn't factor in that it was a straddled pot. 3 betting is fine, calling is fine.
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12-03-2015 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by philepistemer
3 betting preflop would be pretty bad. A weak passive player made is 7.5x from the sb. Not knowing anything else about game dynamics, this tells me that he's going to respond to a 3 bet by 4 betting very frequently, which would suck. We aren't that deep given the sizing, but if he's straightforward enough postflop calling is fine.

I think flop is standard.

Edit: Wow, never mind, didn't factor in that it was a straddled pot. 3 betting is fine, calling is fine.
It was a straddle pot so sb only raised 3.75x
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12-03-2015 , 05:58 AM
I like calling here preflop better than 3betting.

Flop I'd just raise here.

But overall I think it's fine.
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12-03-2015 , 10:52 AM
Calling pre is fine; I don't think an iso raise is appropriate and this is the right type of hand to play from the blind.

They folded because you probably don't play many hands and then here you play (small, small) and then suddenly big, so they figure you flopped a monster.

The play is fine; the pot is big enough to lay claim to it, and if someone plays back, you're not in bad shape. If someone calls and a K comes off, you'll need to open shove, but that's not a complete disaster.
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12-03-2015 , 11:14 AM
Flatting pre is fine because of the description of the raiser as weak passive.

The flat/3bet on the flop was perfect for inducing a multiway pot, and then leveraging your fold equity.

Nice Hand
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12-03-2015 , 11:22 AM
Great hand. I think calling is preferable pre because we expect SB to have a wide raising range. You can utilize your position without bloating the pot.

I like calling the flop and preparing to semibluff turns. Even better to reraise once V2 raises. If called, you're flipping against top two and top pair with a ton of dead money. Worst case is a set and you still have about 30% equity. You're crushing all other drawing hands.
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12-03-2015 , 11:34 AM
fantastic hand. well played. you should want every hand to go down just like that.

- you didn't have the best hand, V1 almost certainly had some pocket pair 88 - JJ. V2 was just trying to pick the pot up cheap from V1. you had a ton of equity, raised for value, and neither could call. yet, you pocketed 110 without any resistance.
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12-03-2015 , 01:52 PM
Thanks for the replies. I also figured with me being in the middle, and them both being pretty deep, when i 3b the flop i'm practically leveraging V1s stack against V2, which makes it hard for V2 to get out of line when he is 200bb deep eff with V1 cold calling behind him.
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12-03-2015 , 09:03 PM
I wouldn't 3b pre without more information about the pfr post flop tendencies.
With an spr < 2.5 after you 3b V might get sticky.

I think you could shove the flop because you have less than a 1/2 psb on the turn. Since you want to see two cards and don't want to fold, shoving seems fine. You're not really that upset if top pair folds.
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