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1/2 PAHWM Top Set on a wet board vs Big Winning Reg 325 BB deep 1/2 PAHWM Top Set on a wet board vs Big Winning Reg 325 BB deep

08-13-2019 , 05:06 PM
Why hasnt anyone explained what we do if we call flop and a heart, Q, J, 7 hits?
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08-13-2019 , 05:13 PM
you likely fold if he ships
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08-13-2019 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AAJTo
Why hasnt anyone explained what we do if we call flop and a heart, Q, J, 7 hits?
Calling mostly if he bets again.
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08-13-2019 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
I was really unsure of what to do on the flop. This flop is obviously much better for us than his and I wouldn't expect him to bet this flop super often, but I figured all A Kx, A Q, and A Ax combos would for sure continue, along with 99 88, and T9s. I'm thinking K Kx continuing is too liberal, if he even bets those combos. So he's got all broadway flushes and three QJ straights.

Hero raises to $60 and villain 3 bets to $180. Hero?
Hero calls.

I felt like/still feel more in the direction that just shoving here is the right play because we have the most equity now, and at this point all of his bluffs are calling a shove too...I'm thinking his bluffing range is A Kx, A Qx, and A Ax, don't think AJo is in his UTG opening range, but it could be. What do you think his bluffing range is?


Turn ($385): 4. Villain shoves for $458. Hero?
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08-13-2019 , 11:17 PM
Call
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08-13-2019 , 11:51 PM
Straightforward call. We're calling $458 to win $1300, so we need ~35%.

Against AJhh, AQhh, AKhh, AhAs (1 bluff) we already have that 36%.
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08-14-2019 , 12:22 AM
Can we pretend the J or Q peeled off and keep the conversation going?
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08-14-2019 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by krilleater
Straightforward call. We're calling $458 to win $1300, so we need ~35%.

Against AJhh, AQhh, AKhh, AhAs (1 semi-bluff) we already have that 36%.
FYP.

Yup, easy sigh/call. I mean, he has more flushes or made straights with a flush redraw than the range given above, but he also has more than one combo of semi-bluff.
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08-14-2019 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
Hero calls.

I felt like/still feel more in the direction that just shoving here is the right play because we have the most equity now, and at this point all of his bluffs are calling a shove too...I'm thinking his bluffing range is A Kx, A Qx, and A Ax, don't think AJo is in his UTG opening range, but it could be. What do you think his bluffing range is?


Turn ($385): 4. Villain shoves for $458. Hero?
It appears the discussion has died. I'm actually really surprised there wasn't dispute over the turn. I thought this would be as debated as whether or not to call or raise flop.

Anyways, I felt like villain had enough bluffs in his range that we couldn't fold, and I stand by that after plugging it into the equity calculator, but I genuinely don't know if villain has as many bluffs as I am giving him credit for.

Hero calls, villain has A Q - makes a lot of sense. I stand by saying not 4 betting the flop is a mistake... he's obviously calling and there's a fair amount of turns we have to fold.
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08-14-2019 , 05:54 PM
Standard
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08-14-2019 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
It appears the discussion has died. I'm actually really surprised there wasn't dispute over the turn. I thought this would be as debated as whether or not to call or raise flop.

Anyways, I felt like villain had enough bluffs in his range that we couldn't fold, and I stand by that after plugging it into the equity calculator, but I genuinely don't know if villain has as many bluffs as I am giving him credit for.

Hero calls, villain has A Q - makes a lot of sense. I stand by saying not 4 betting the flop is a mistake... he's obviously calling and there's a fair amount of turns we have to fold.
NH wp. I like your line and I would have played it the same way (although I would have probably raised pre but whatever).

Instead of jamming flop you over called and got V to offer you 9-5 on his turn jam. He has way more bluffs than you so you get the correct price to call. So the 4b is not as good as the line you chose I think.
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08-14-2019 , 11:52 PM
Yeah flatting the chck raise seems pretty std, you’re IP so use it... let him spaz off or use your positional advantage. Also if you just rip it/gii for 300+bb here you will always be losing when called
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08-15-2019 , 01:51 AM
I don't think many people have a 3b flop/fold range here, but who knows.
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08-15-2019 , 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Yeah flatting the chck raise seems pretty std, you’re IP so use it... let him spaz off or use your positional advantage. Also if you just rip it/gii for 300+bb here you will always be losing when called
I don't agree with that at all, all of his bluffs, which should have A in them are getting odds to call a shove.
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