Well, lets say you cbet on a 27Jr flop. What better hand folds? I just feel like of all the hands that would call a 3bet pre, most are folding on a King high flop like this unless they have precisely a FD or better. I dont think all the gutters and single pair hands are calling like they are on a board that connects with A3. Which is why when we do connect with A3 we still cbet anyway due to our actual equity.

I also feel like we get bluffed/floated too often cbetting low boards vs high boards.

There are oodles, that's right, OODLES of hands that continue on this board that don't on 27Jr. This board has tons of Broadway hands and flush draws, plus the K and T both hit our and villains range. The 27Jr board provides way fewer ways for villain to improve. Cbetting the J high board folds out hands like AT and KQ that don't have anyway to really improve to the nuts, other than runners.

Villains aren't going to float J high boards without any equity, at least not profitably.

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As someone who originally said im cbetting here, i think the arguments for giving up OTF are compelling, so ill say probably give up otf/ maybe delayed cbet the turn. But anyone who says give up instead of ship ott are insane.

Why? What makes you think he won’t call off Kx or binked trip Ts?

Going ahead in the hand guys:

UTG opens to $5 ,
BTN flats,
SB calls,
Hero raises to $25 with A3, only SB calls.

FLOP ($60): K T 8
SB checks, Hero bets $28, SB calls

TURN ($116): T
SB checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($116): 7
SB overbets $130, Hero ?

Preflop: Either call or make it $30. Your sizing is too small, given we're OOP with 2 callers.
Flop: Cbet $50 and hope to fold AJ/AQ and pairs below Kx. Otherwise don't Cbet at all. If you bet $25 OTF then nothing will fold.
Turn: Overbet jam and hope to fold all pairs below Kx, fold some K9/KJ/KQ hands and fold all straight draws.
River: Easy fold. We lose to a lot of his AJ/AQ bluffs and honestly, 1/2 players generally just have it when they pot the river. If you are going to make the hero, then put in a raise. I know it sounds stupid but some players will fold AJ/AQ when you raise to $140 in this spot, so that beats calling.

It's a terrible cbet board for a single raised pot. This hand the SB has called the initial raise and called a 3bet. We can cbet here when we think the SB is heavily weighted toward pocket pairs, which is a reasonable assumption here. Even JJ may have a very hard time calling when we 3/4 pot this flop in a standard low stakes (3bets are monsters) environment. If we think the shorthanded and new table dynamic yields a wider range in this spot, by all means, give up on the flop.

A double flatting range is even heavier on middle cards and suited hands than a raise/call. I expect their range to be something like JJ-, AQ/KQ/AJ, suited connectors, a lot of suited broadways, and maybe a few suited aces.

I agree their continuing range will be tighter in a 3BP, so they'll be finding a lot more folds with AQ and even some JJ/98 type stuff. All I was saying is that it's certainly not the board we were hoping for or anything.

There are a lot of ways to play a lot of different ranges here (if we had more lower airballs I could see betting this hand and checking the others because that gives this hand the chance to see all 5 cards which is a big boon against Kx, and I already have a lot of other Ax checking back because I hate b/fing nut-no-pair with three outs to the nuts, blahblahblah) so how you play this one hand in a vacuum is whatever against someone who's probably a whatever player. I'm just saying I wouldn't act like this is a great board to blast off on with an 80% cbet for 2/3p+ or anything.

That all makes sense. Some good thoughts here.

I wade in a very passive, stationy pool where 3bets are rare and villains like to announce their monsters (otf when board is wet, ott when not), so my thoughts tend to get slanted toward thinking in terms of that pool.