1/2. hero has 300, villains have about 200

V1 has been a bit loose
V2 has been tight

preflop: hero opens to 8 in EP with JdJh, MP calls, V1 calls in CO, V2 calls on BTN, blinds fold

flop ($35, 4 players): 9c8s2c. hero bets 12, MP folds, V1 and V2 both call

turn ($70, 3 players): 3s. hero checks, V1 and V2 both check

river ($70, 3 players): 9h. hero checks, V1 checks, V2 bets $65, hero??

As played, fold to river bet.

Preflop, I'd raise to at least 10.

Flop, I'm betting at least 3/4 pot

Turn,never check here and I'm betting at least 1/2 pot.

This board is way too wet to be betting this small and NEVER check that turn. Your are giving way too many hands a free card.

agree flop sizing and river check are bad. now that ive ****ed it up, wasn't sure how to play river.

Agreed. Raise minimum 10-12 preflop, then 35 on the flop, and 1/2 -2/3 PSB on turn. Fold river as played.

what do you guys think V could have that we should fold to?

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what do you guys think V could have that we should fold to?

Any sort of weak/medium flopped top pair trying to control the pot and backing into trips.

im surprised everyone isn't saying "snap call" b/c villain's line makes no sense and he's repping nothing.

He's repping a weak 9. Or he's just passive and doesn't bet top pair when checked to. There are tons of villains like that. So he waits unitl he trips up then he bets for value.

His line can make perfect sense here.
He's your villain. You tell us how he plays top pair during your session. Don't expect us to guess.
And please don't come back later and give us more reads that justify some crazy play you make and wonder why we didn't all see it coming. (Like, her ships as a bluff and get snapped off by A8 as a bluff catchers.)


But before that, in general you should try and raise more at a 1/2 table. For value. If your casino plays like this, it's one thing. But there are very few casinos where you can't get callers for $10+.

Then bet more on the flop. There are TONS of made hands and draws that we can get value from. JT, A9, K9, T9, Q9, J9, XXcc, 8Xcc, T7, 76. Lord only knows what else.
Same thing for the turn. Bet more. We can still get fat value from that exact same range of hands. Nothing gets there on the turn. We have the best hand a LARGE portion of the time here on the turn.

River: I'd flip a coin. We took a pretty bad and weak line, so it's possible that he's just trying to buy the pot. Or maybe he thinks that his 8x is good and he's bad enough to be trying to make a value bet. It's just hard to say.

This. However if there is more info on V that would make you think he is possibly making a move here then by all means use that info as well.


The reason I say fold is because your standard "tight" 1/2nl player, will rarely bluff the river with a PSB. If thats the case in this instance and he/she was bluffing, I would make a mental note of that player for the future.

Pf 12, what is the point of raising to 8? Now were 4 ways, not good for jj. Now we get a great flop, and we bet 12? So we've managed to get a mere 20 out of 200 in so far. Now the turn is about the blankest blank in the deck and we check....

The river is very insignificant, call/fold is pretty close. Pf, flop, and turn all need to be worked on.

Grunch....

This hand was played very poorly on every street. IMO a minimum raise at 1/2 in early position should be $10 but often times I open to $12. This depends on table dynamics, ideally you want 1 to 2 callers with this hand, so raise whatever amount you feel goes this way.

On the flop you have a great hand relative to the very draw heavy board. The board hits your villains range pretty hard and they should have a lot of draws, pairs, and worse hands that call bets. For that reason I'm betting close to pot on this flop, probably $30. You're doing this to get value from hands that you can beat, as there's plenty of hands as I mentioned above that will call you when they are behind.

On the turn you still have a great hand. We still need to be betting this for value, the turn card is unlikely to have improved anyone's hand and we don't want to give a free river card on such a draw heavy board. Be again here for value, to an amount that would set up a river shove.

On the river, as played, I probably just fold. I don't really think this guy is bombing the pot with a missed flush draw, we played the hand horribly and now we're in an awful spot. Villain is most likely checking back an 8 and never bluffing this large. I fold unless you've seen this villain is capable of bluffing.