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07-25-2016 , 05:07 AM
I am newer to this casino and don't really know the regulars yet.
V1 ($400) - SB in this hand. Has played a few more hands as limps than a typical OMC, but I haven't seen him get out of line. Staff at the casino seems to know him and he has been winning this session.

Hero ($350) - HJ. I am small winner in the game. I have a tighter image than I usually do due to getting no good hands. The hands I have been playing are usually for a raise in LP.

OTTH
Hero gets (QQ) and after two limps makes it $15. SB and one limper call.

Flop ($45) J53
SB leads out $25 and other villain folds. With position I like a call best. Discussion on raising welcomed, but if you raise are you calling a 3-bet from an OMC?. I call the $25

Turn ($95) J538
SB again quickly leads for $50. With position and him again betting strongly, I just call. I don't see OMC pushing a flush draw like this. Does he do this with AJ?Discussion on raising welcomed, but if you raise are you calling a 3-bet from an OMC?.

River ($195) J5383
SB again quickly leads for $100. Hero goes in the tank! FWIW my read at the table was that the 3 was a blank. I see that a flush draw like A3 or any flush draw with the 3 just got there but that card did not change Villains intentions. He was betting $100 either way. Hero calls the $100.

I think that my play on this hand is standard, just looking to see if the community agrees. It has been a while since I had a hand run out like this one. Usually players are so passive at $1-2!
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07-25-2016 , 05:25 AM
Most OMCs aren't betting 3 streets for value as this certainly is. He's never bluffing here and AJ is at the very bottom of his range if it's there at all. Most OMCs aren't betting that as heavily as this player did 3 streets. They may bet 2 then check/cry call river.

Did he have AA/KK or a set?
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07-25-2016 , 05:47 AM
Standard line, well played.
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07-25-2016 , 07:42 AM
Dumb question: what does OMC stand for?

Either way, i'm not folding. Many more AJ/KJ combo's then 55/33/Ad3d.
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07-25-2016 , 08:59 AM
Raising otf isn't good here. Against omc's, we're only bloating the pot up when we shouldn't. Almost all of his range is Aj, kj, jq, sets and diamond paint. Raising here will probably fold out worse hands and the spr is plenty big enough to get value from all three streets and still fold if scare cards come.

Call flop. Call turn. Call river.

Seems fine to me.
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07-25-2016 , 10:09 AM
No real issues with the line at all.

I do think there is an argument for raising though - at least OTT. It charges a draw more (coz if he was on FD - he's likely to shutdown OTR when he misses). You ask about being 3bet - if you were - then I think you can safely assume you are behind and drawing dead to a Q. (But again, I don't mind the call down line you took... it has the advantage of probably getting the most from AJ and bluffs).

OTR... you are behind JJ(3), 55()3 and 33(1). And ahead of AJ(12). His bet OTR discounts AJ a little (you'd think he'd slow down) - but if you add flush bluffs in... then it's an easy call.
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07-25-2016 , 10:36 AM
here´s a problem I have with semantics on this forum:
title reads the harmless word "OMC", and every sec poster seems to jump on it (not that it influenced the consensus yet tho in this case)

hero is new to this game. doesn´t provide any signifant reads on villain besides him being not an ubernit but not overly bluffy either (at least that´s what I interpret when reading "played few more hands than typical OMC yet haven´t seen him doing anything out of line)

so this player is basically unknown, probably on the tighter side preflop compared to the player pool (although likely still too loose and passive overall, at least that´s common with people who have enough of a limping range to make it relevant in the reads), and probably not too spewy postflop.

that´s all we got.

If you include the word OMC (for viral25, that stands for Old Man Coffee, a term for an old, extremele tight, conservative player), everyone will jump on that and you get biased responses.

imo, if you just write something like "villain, middle to older aged guy, seems to be a regular at the game due to him knowing casino staff, winning this session, no real reads on him besides limping his fair share, not playing too loose preflop and not having shown down anything out of order yet, 400, SB", you´d get much better responses than including OMC in the title and twice in a bolded part.

as for your line check, nh, flop, turn wp, river is an easy calldown, that´s one of the best runouts you can get against a typical donking range (pairs, fds, sds, rare 2p and sets).
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07-25-2016 , 10:59 AM
hmmm. tricky spot here w/out a more developed read. feel like he has AJ, J8, 55, JJ... probably more weighted to 55, JJ... I mean does the avg OMC really lead 3 times here with the FD.. and fire river w/ air after the board pairs?? I have seen guys that look like OMC's who play like that, but seems pretty rare. Would be a much easier decision if we had seen more from this guy and whether he's capable of taking this line with a bluff.

If we see him make a play like this and muck when called, I think this becomes a pretty easy call. Without that sort of information I think this is a tough decision.
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07-25-2016 , 11:24 AM
I've seen OMC's play AA/KK this way A LOT
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07-25-2016 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by javale mc g

imo, if you just write something like "villain, middle to older aged guy, seems to be a regular at the game due to him knowing casino staff, winning this session, no real reads on him besides limping his fair share, not playing too loose preflop and not having shown down anything out of order yet, 400, SB", you´d get much better responses than including OMC in the title and twice in a bolded part.

This is true, I wrote OMC, because that was my generic read going into the hand in a casino I don't normally play in and then he did something not very OMC'ish. His play on this hand actually changes my read going forward for this particular player and if I were to get in another hand with him my opening player description and read would be different.

I really did not feel good about my call down, but getting the odds I was getting each street I thought it was correct.
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07-25-2016 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Submerged
This is true, I wrote OMC, because that was my generic read going into the hand in a casino I don't normally play in and then he did something not very OMC'ish. His play on this hand actually changes my read going forward for this particular player and if I were to get in another hand with him my opening player description and read would be different.

I really did not feel good about my call down, but getting the odds I was getting each street I thought it was correct.
What did the V have?
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07-25-2016 , 01:37 PM
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What did the V have?


Villain had QJo<img -2 Overpair Facing Aggression IP from OMC. So, obviously my initial read of him being an OMC was wrong!
On another note, I have now played a few sessions at this casino that is around 45 minutes from some other area casinos and have seen more donking of top pair oop than I am used to seeing. Is this a trend that people are seeing elsewhere or is it unique to this casino?
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07-25-2016 , 01:45 PM
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I've seen OMC's play AA/KK this way A LOT
Me too. I've ran into set over set on an A Q high flop and I was the one who made it $8 UTG with QQ. I GII OTF, older gentleman in the HJ tables AA OTR. I laughed, said nh, and left.

FTR, I didn't know what OMC meant either, so thanks.

OP, I'd probably elect to put in a decent sized raise OTF, 75-80 because I wouldn't try to under rep my hand by slow playing. Fold to further aggression. If I do feel like he's really an OMC, I'm probably folding turn and try to forget about the hand.
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07-25-2016 , 02:18 PM
Grunch.
Call.

KJ/AJ are here too often to ever fold.
Sometimes we lose to KK/AA but oh well. Combos and all that.
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07-26-2016 , 03:46 PM
I like everything. Maybe find a hero fold for some nitty old man who only ever has JJ-AA here but otherwise Im calling.

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07-26-2016 , 04:22 PM
I like your line on every street. If this guy is a true blood OMC he will show up here with JJ-AA a lot, but your hand is too good and too under-repped to fold river IMO.
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07-26-2016 , 05:41 PM
This is for sure AA,KK, or a set. AJ isn't strong enough for him to bet three streets of value. It would be hard to get away from QQ because you're telling yourself that he has AJ, but an OMC wouldn't...

An OMC wouldn't bet AJ for three streets... it would be a bet otf, check turn, and bet river or bet otf, bet turn, check river
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07-26-2016 , 06:44 PM
Badish villains sometimes bet themselves into a corner oop. They feel compelled to keep betting sometimes for fear of looking weak and getting bluffed off what they thought was and still hope is the best hand. When we have limited reads it can be tough to discern. I thought the hand was well played.
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