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1/2 Overpair faces two shoves OTT 1/2 Overpair faces two shoves OTT

01-03-2015 , 08:11 PM
Villain 1 is a mid 30ish Vietnamese woman whose stuck $1500, likes to gamble, and probably has a 50+ VP$IP ($350)

Villain 2 is late 20's white guy, haven't seen him play too many hands but he just sat down not long ago. ($550)

I'm playing about $800 and hold QQ in the small blind. My image is tight.

UTG straddles for $10, one call, V1 calls, V2 makes it $50, I call $50 cold, first limper folds, V1 calls.

I decide not to 3bet since I don't think making it bigger pre OOP and narrowing V2's range is smart.

Pot $153, flop 532 I check, V1 checks, V2 bets $85, I call, V1 calls

Maybe lead or x/r flop is better? I didn't want to shut out V1 and isolate down to the hand that may have me beat.

Pot $390, turn 532 8 I check, V1 shoves for $200ish, V2 doesn't think long before reshoving for $420ish

I'm not terribly worried about V1, she can have lots of worse 1 pairs or draws. I am worried about V2, as he's basically unknown, and is repping an overpair. If I'm ahead, I have to fade at least river A's and 4's, and maybe more outs. If I'm behind, I don't want to get my stack in drawing to 2 outs. At the same time, my hand is way under-repped

Comments on any street appreciated.
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01-03-2015 , 08:56 PM
$10 straddle seems big for 1/2. I actually disagree with your first thought in not narrowing V2's range, since this is the crux of this hand. Is he raising in a smart manner in relation the straddle and callers or only because he has a big hand? If he's more comfortable with this deep stacked and $10 straddled game he could be doing this with 77+ KQo+ etc, but if not this raising range could be a lot tighter, TT+ and KQs+. Especially OOP in the SB I'd rather 3bet and go from there.

The flop is pretty dry with rainbow and all low cards, except the obvious 3 card straight and backdoor straight for Ax. V2 only bets half pot and again we're in the dark on if this is value or protection. With AA he may feel safe and want to string both of you along or with 77-TT he may not feel great about his hand but feel inclined to bet.

The biggest question on the turn is whether V2 realizes how loose V1 is. For you to be good here V2 has to have 99-JJ. If he does view V1 the same way you do he could very well be shoving those hands for value. With equal number of combos KK-AA as TT-JJ that could be played the same way there's definitely merit in calling.

I think the lesson here is to narrow ranges early. If you had 3bet pf you'd have a better idea of what he has, V1 would probably not be in the pot, and you'd have initiative. As played though, I would call seeing as how we've greatly under repped our hand.
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01-04-2015 , 05:04 PM
The game had a max $10 straddle, but probably every other pot was straddled for at least 5. We were playing with a rock so button straddles weren't uncommon
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01-04-2015 , 05:14 PM
Regarding both Villains shoving:

Can they BOTH be bull****ting?

In the So Cal games, no.

In our game here, it's too rich for us to find out.

Hope is not a strategy - we should fold.
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01-04-2015 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TJ

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I decide not to 3bet since I don't think making it bigger pre OOP and narrowing V2's range is smart.[/I]
I don't understand the logic of this at all. If villain's call to 3bet range is TT-AA and AK, you're still a favorite, and most of the time I'm expecting a fold, which I'd be happy with. More importantly though, I don't want to be playing QQ OOP post-flop in any case, but if I am I would rather have a better range for my opponent from the outset, and then narrow it down significantly from there. It will make it much easier me to fold if I think I'm beat.

Everything after this is in this hand is much more difficult as a result the cold call. The villain's range with the flop bet is very wide, leaving you in the same situation you were in preflop (i.e. in the dark). Same thing on the turn, except by now it's looking like your beat, and I'm probably folding here.

So I would have
1. 3bet pre
2. failing that, either lead out or c/raised flop
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01-05-2015 , 01:01 PM
Can v2 put is on on qq+ if so its a fold
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