Had a spot come up today at the 1/2 game I was in. Want your opinions. I believe we are 7 or 8 handed at this point.

I am about 15-20 minutes into this session. Sitting on my starting stack of roughly $300. I cover the particular V in this hand.

Hero: 30 y/o male. As I said, this is a new session, and I haven't done anything of note yet. Just been quiet. I may have limped one hand prior to this. No raises pre.

V: Approx 70 y/o male who is sharply dressed. Instant impression is OMC, but we have only played one orbit so far. About $175.

OTTH:

Two limps to Hero who is in the CO with 9h9c. Hero raises to $11. V in SB pauses, asks the dealer how much it is, and calls. The two limpers call.

Flop ($44): 7h7d3h

All three check to Hero who bets $22. Only V calls.

Turn ($88): 3c - Board 7h7d3h3c

V leads $20.

Against an unknown older player, is thiis always a fold? Despite the tiny 1/4 PSB? What do we range V on when he donks small here?

You cover V... but what's V's stack size?

$175ish

I mean, you're readless and getting 5.5:1.

I don't feel great about it, but peel and see a river.

I agree with this.

In game, I call due to the odds we are given, but really the only way we can win is if we turn our hand into a bluff OTR. Given we are readless, that sort of line seems spewey.

What kind of value range can we assign here? If the villain bets the river we have to fold. I can't see a random OMC betting 88 or a busted SD on the river.

Well, we're getting 5.5:1 with another 6 bets of $20 left in stacks, so the stack odds on the call are actually 11.5:1. We're around 20:1 to bink another 9. Can we call the turn simply with the implied odds to bink a 9?

No, definitely not.

But no, the only way to win is not to turn our hand into a bluff on the river... in fact, I am never ever bluffing here. I am OK with seeing a river in position and seeing what villain does. We also have that chance to bink a 9, and though obviously that's not sufficient on its own, it's also a consideration to go along with the possibility our over pair is already best, villain slows down on the river, MAYBE we can even put in a small river value bet if checked to (not advocating that, but a consideration), etc.

I'd bet the river if checked to if I thought villain will call with 66 or A-high but it's really thin without reads. I don't think we get looked up by anything less than a 3.

As soon as you see this flop you should be concerned that there's very few obvious second-best hands that are going to be calling but there are obvious better hands that are going to call/raise. There's lots of combos of 76,87,A7.

Most people who put you on AK are going to call down with their 66 rather than make a small bet donk bet on the turn.

I think you can safely fold.

Even if you were checked to on the turn, betting would be thin. What would you be hoping to get called by some random Ax that peeled the flop?

Appreciate the replies so far. I thought a lot about this hand yesterday, even after the session was over.

Hero took a little longer to call than he usually does. But I did end up calling V's turn bet.

River: ($128): 5s (Board: 77335)

V again donks $20. So it costs me $20 to win $148. Does an older, unknown V ever have 88 or some weird Ax of hearts often enough to justify a call?

I, like others, justified a call on the turn. But now we're in a crappy spot facing another tiny bet from our V on the river, when we have over $50 invested.

He probably has a 7 or an overpair, but I think I just learned an interesting way to bluff oop

Probably not, but you're about to find out.

Never folding this spot getting 7.5:1.

You're also readless enough that folding would be nuts.

Peel for sure given pot odds.

20 mins isn't enough time to lay this down.

We're lighting money on fire but luckily it's not very much money. I think this is a 3+ like 90% of the time. So even with 7.4 to 1 pot odds I think folding is right. But I'm not. Ever.

Also, I'm raising to 16 pre after the limpers.

The reason I'm not folding ever is because as someone pointed out, we didn't have enough time of play to properly range this opponent. It is 1/2, and you never know when someone is going to do something inexplicable.

wouldn't be surpised if the V had quad 7's or 3's. I think hes betting so little because he knows he has you so crushed and that you don't possibly have a 7 or 3 in your range so he is hoping he will get value from your overpair or induce you to spazz raise.

He is checking any flush or straight draw every time, so those can be ruled out. Highly doubt he donks into you with pocket pairs 88 or worse.

I would just fold the turn. If you call turn then you have to call any river bet, which can be bleeding money. Calling down OMC w/ marginal hands is so -EV. Fold turn.

Call call

Expect to lose oftrn but lol pot odds he has some ax and 66 type hands

In the end, I sigh called the river bet. V showed QQ and scooped.

This hand irritated me because I feel I'm good enough to fold to V's tiny bet on the turn. I just don't see random 70 y/o guys get out of line at LLSNL.

Thanks for the replies.

... the amount of his bet on the river, may spur you into turning your hand into a bluff.

He could have anything.... a 7, 3, Ace high, 55, KK, even AA.

one good thing is that he is going to give you a cheap showdown.

just call his donk on the turn and donk on the river and only raise if you bink the 9.