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09-25-2015 , 11:08 PM
Typical 1/2 game on a Friday night at my local casino. Friendly game. Table is mostly full of weekend rec players.

Hero ($600): Winning image. Have only showed down strong hands. Though, I've been pretty active and have made several sizeable river bets which have not been called.

V ($135): 50's white guy. Friendly. Typical rec player. Sitting next to his friend and sorta trying to teach him about live play. Haven't seen him raise a bet to this point.

V and I have not played a hand together yet. An orbit or so ago he raised AQ pre and went AI out of turn on a KKQ board vs three other players. His AI bet was about 1.25x the pot.

OTTH: One limp to Hero who is in the HJ. Hero raises to $12 with QcQd. V calls in SB.

Flop ($28): 755r. V checks, Hero bets $15. V CR to $45. V has $75 behind.

Hero?
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09-25-2015 , 11:58 PM
This is a tough hand. It's especially difficult to analyze, because it's automatically assumed that a poster lost their hand, so I think I subconsciously want to say fold. So instead of telling you what to do, I'll leave you with some thoughts. First, Vs are normally afraid of paired boards. Second, last night I had a guy limp call my raise to 17, got 2 other callers. Flop came 566, checks to the last caller, he bets 50, limper raised all in. I fold, other player calls. Blank turn, Ace river, limper had pocket jacks and was good.

For a more statistical analysis, it really comes down to things like, would he take this line with overpairs, and if he would, would he have 3bet AA and KK preflop? Overall, I think this is a spot that is pretty thin if you're right, and massively -ev if his range is basically always a 5 here.
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09-26-2015 , 12:07 AM
Our Villain doesn't much respect our $12 pre-flop raise.

Maybe it's me, but I would make it $20 or $25 with QQ in my games.

Is he capable of thinking we are FOS?

Can he put us on AK?

Does he not respect our $15 post-flop bet?

Had the post flop bet been pot-sized (that is, pot sized after a $20 pre flop raise) it would be easier to give our Villain credit for a 5.

As played, he could have 88+ up to JJ, A7- down to who knows what?

As well as a 5.
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09-26-2015 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Nozsr
Our Villain doesn't much respect our $12 pre-flop raise.

Maybe it's me, but I would make it $20 or $25 with QQ in my games.

Is he capable of thinking we are FOS?

Can he put us on AK?

Does he not respect our $15 post-flop bet?

Had the post flop bet been pot-sized (that is, pot sized after a $20 pre flop raise) it would be easier to give our Villain credit for a 5.

As played, he could have 88+ up to JJ, A7- down to who knows what?

As well as a 5.
I agree with everything in this post.

It's really hard to tell why you're getting played back OP because your play seems so standard. Only $12 raise preflop followed be a almost half pot size bet of 15 into 28 on flop. It kinda screams continuation bet, and with a paired board as such I think it both increases the range of hands someone might be tempted to reraise you and the likelihood of them pulling the trigger.
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09-26-2015 , 02:37 AM
Raises to 75.
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09-26-2015 , 12:28 PM
Yeah, normally I advocate a larger raise pre. But the table was pretty limpy, with not a lot of PFR. I wanted a caller or two. Once V checked, I feel I'm ahead of his range. I wanted to build a pot and encourage him to come along with weaker holdings. I think a $25 flop bet only gets action from hands that beat me. Lol...well, I guess if I had bet $25 to start with, I may not have found myself in this predicament, huh?

I'll hold off on results until later in the day. Want to see if I can get more opinions.
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09-26-2015 , 02:29 PM
I'm not folding here. I either calling, planning to GII on the turn, or raising, and OK with GII on the flop.
I think I prefer call bc we have position. If an A or K rolls off on turn, maybe we could fold to a bet.

No time frame is given. Have we been watching this guy for an hour or 4? It matters. He hasn't raised a bet, and now he's check raising. That's a flag. He's also with a pal, and maybe playing the role of big shot. So maybe more likely to be making a play.
What can he call $12 pre flop from SB? 54s, 65s, A5s, a7s, maybe 86s, 76s, 87s, as well as 88, 99, TT, maybe JJ. His range is probably wider than this, which makes me even more inclined to call.

Eff stacks $135 preflop, and after this check raise he'll have something like $88 left. If he has a 5, nice hand. I'm paying him off.
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09-26-2015 , 03:35 PM
V has KK but I'm still putting all my money in.
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09-26-2015 , 10:57 PM
I just flat his raise. Turn was a 10. V puts his last $75 in, and I called pretty quickly. V had Ad5d and won the pot.

I dwelled on this hand for a little bit and beat myself up pretty good. Glad to see others advocating to GII.
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09-27-2015 , 12:25 AM
A5, KK, same thing here...you often have two outs but Vs are dumb and I've seen this with smaller overpairs and top pair way too often to consider folding this short. Vs range should be heavy on pocket pairs and short on 5x hands
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09-27-2015 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TTBH240
Friday night at my local casino.

V ($135): 50's white guy. Friendly. Typical rec player. Sitting next to his friend and sorta trying to teach him about live play. Haven't seen him raise a bet to this point.

V checks, Hero bets $15. V CR to $45. V has $75 behind.

Hero?
Instamuck; he leads with a 7. I'm pausing a moment to calm down and then mucking pocket rockets here.

C'mon, he just put in almost 40% of his stack. What are you hoping for? A gutshot with two overs and a BD FD? Is it Isildur1 wearing a 50's white guy mask? He called PF OOP and then checkraised the flop; it is what it is.
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09-27-2015 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BadlyBeaten
Instamuck; he leads with a 7. I'm pausing a moment to calm down and then mucking pocket rockets here.

C'mon, he just put in almost 40% of his stack. What are you hoping for? A gutshot with two overs and a BD FD? Is it Isildur1 wearing a 50's white guy mask? He called PF OOP and then checkraised the flop; it is what it is.
We are talking about a guy bad enough to overbet shove on the flop with a Q on KKQ. Given that hand history, not folding here.
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09-28-2015 , 08:02 AM
Can't fold this against a typical rec player unless we have a strong read on his range.
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09-28-2015 , 08:15 AM
You played it fine.
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09-28-2015 , 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Jamitontheriver
We are talking about a guy bad enough to overbet shove on the flop with a Q on KKQ. Given that hand history, not folding here.
That makes him bad enough to let us off easy.
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