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1/2 OOP missed flop with AK or pocket pair. 1/2 OOP missed flop with AK or pocket pair.

04-12-2016 , 01:57 PM
When on the SB if I were to raise $10 preflop with 99+ pairs or AK, what is the right thing to do when I am first to act and the flop comes J,6,K for example on 99?

If I had AK and flop is 3,7,8 no flush draw, what then in early position?
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04-12-2016 , 02:05 PM
It depends on way more than what you've posted so far. Opponents, reads, stacks, etc are all needed
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04-12-2016 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Curious
It depends on way more than what you've posted so far. Opponents, reads, stacks, etc are all needed
Rec players who play any face card normally, and know their hands but not necessarily odds etc. Stacks I would say have me covered, if they are short stack I have no problem playing the hand, if they have me covered it is a tough decision.
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04-12-2016 , 02:19 PM
There is no correct answer for this. Depends on a lot of things. How many players are in the hand? What are the tendencies of those players? What is your stack size and the stack size of the other players? What are the card suites?
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04-12-2016 , 02:26 PM
1 thing to look at is how many players are left to act... you probably don't want to cbet with AK if you have 5 players left to act behind you

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04-12-2016 , 02:34 PM
First thought should be whether or not a c-bet would work. That's opponent dependent including what AlmostGood said about the # of villains left in the hand. Too many villains = bad for you. If you have any reason to believe a c-bet will work (weak passive opponent, a tell after the flop hits the felt, etc) then do it.
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04-12-2016 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dozer
First thought should be whether or not a c-bet would work. That's opponent dependent including what AlmostGood said about the # of villains left in the hand. Too many villains = bad for you. If you have any reason to believe a c-bet will work (weak passive opponent, a tell after the flop hits the felt, etc) then do it.
This is the answer I was looking for, thanks.
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04-12-2016 , 02:46 PM
On a KJ6 flop, you should be checking 99 at least some of the time and you should be checking AK at least some of the time, but you should be checking 99 more often than AK.
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04-12-2016 , 02:52 PM
the answer of whether to cbet (i assume we are talking about as a bluff here and not for value.. even though these terms overlap to some extent) or not depends on the combination of equity and fold equity you have. the more equity, the less fold equity you need, and vice versa.

all of the factors listed above impact those two variables to some extent... # players, player types (ie.. fit/fold or calling stations?), board texture as compared to ranges, #outs you have to improve, etc...
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04-12-2016 , 02:53 PM
It helps to determine what end result you want? Wanting to win a few chips needs a different approach than wanting to win the most chips. For example, betting $35 into a $15 pot would be effective if you have only weak tight players and a poor flop to fit a weak tight players hand.

Winning the most chips is more complex as already mentioned. What types of players are in the pot, what is there willingness to fold to what size bet, how much pressure will they take, etc. You need a strong hand to win against seasoned players who have seen it all. In these situations your $35 bet into a $15 dollar pot may get you 3 bet, then what?

Both methods have their downsides because they are both exploitable, the first paragraph being the most exploitable as mentioned in the second paragraph.

Learning how to play and win against seasoned players is preferred. Better players give you more action, meaning more chips in the pot.
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04-12-2016 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Chipnami
This is the answer I was looking for, thanks.
Post a few of the hands with as much information as you have and we can talk about each individually which will help when similar situations occur.
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04-12-2016 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Chipnami
This is the answer I was looking for, thanks.
Huh? So the rest of our responses were trash? How can you find the answer you were looking for if you don't know the answer to your own question?

I don't think the first thought should be "whether or not a c-bet would work" Before we even get to this thought, we need to answer many more questions, as others have already pointed out.

In all due respect, the details in your question sucked, so to find the "answer I was looking for" doesn't' really make a lot of sense
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04-12-2016 , 04:49 PM
Almost every move is ok depending on the number and type of opponents. C-bet is ok vs 1 or 2 opponents if they are abc player. If they call or raise, they are ahead of you. Check/calling can be an option too with AK if there is a small bet after you and no raise. There's a good chance that you will be ahead if you spike an A or K.

But as mentioned, c-bet have more chances to work with less opponents and checking is a better option with a lot of them. The action after checking depends on the size of the bet, the type of opponents and if there's a lot of actions after the bet.

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04-13-2016 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Below Zero
Huh? So the rest of our responses were trash? How can you find the answer you were looking for if you don't know the answer to your own question?

I don't think the first thought should be "whether or not a c-bet would work" Before we even get to this thought, we need to answer many more questions, as others have already pointed out.

In all due respect, the details in your question sucked, so to find the "answer I was looking for" doesn't' really make a lot of sense
The rest of the answers were not trash, all good valid points. I just was unsure if there was a standard move when OOP with those hands. To me it was about player reads, how many players in the hand etc, those are things I normally consider. So when he said that, it made sense that there isn't much more you can do other than read your opponents and bet/check accordingly. Yes, my question did suck, basically because I had no examples.
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