i usually lurk in the MTT forums; but i'm on an extended vacation/poker trip, which is what brings me here - i'm unfamiliar with live cash game play (which is why i'm not in for the max in this hand - max BI is 300)

what do you guys (and gals) think is villain's range after his turn bet?

my goal is to understand if/how the avg 1/2 live villain (of the admittedly limited description below) plays differently from the avg unknown 0.5/1 or 1/2 online player (e.g., playing draws more passively, 3betting a narrower range, etc.)? (it may be an ambitious exercise so lmk if my question is too vague)

open raise sizes at table ranged from 8-20 (all figures USD)

villain is an asian man in his late-50s/60s; not too talkative but occasionally making jokes when folding abt his hand missing the board; have only been at table for ~3 orbits so i can't give estimate of VPIP/PFR

(also, my specific hand isn't relevant for this exercise, imo, but happy to share results after a few responses if helpful)
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3am on a fri night/sat morning @ a casino in atlantic city, new jersey

hero has [X,X]

Hero: 175
BTN: 200
Villain: 400
BB: 225

Preflop (3):
folds, Hero (CO) raises to 15, 1 fold, Villain (SB) calls, BB calls

Flop (45): 5 6 2 (3 players)
Villain checks, BB donks 15, Hero calls, Villain raises to 35, BB folds, Hero calls

Turn (130): 2 (2 players)
Villain bets 50

Full house, weak flushes. You seem to be on a FD, probably with the A.

Your question is really unanswerable. It is as if a player here asked you, "what's this guy online's range." You ask what his VPIP/PFR and the player says, "I don't know."

Playing styles vary much more live than online. They also vary in time. You have a lot more limpers pf with hands than online. There's less raising at 1/2. This is something that a 200nl player would have noticed in the first 30 minutes of play, so you shouldn't need anyone here to tell you that.

had a feeling I was asking a bad question to begin with though i do appreciate the response (and a quick one too!). yes, was surprised by the limping, min raising postflop, passive draws, "protecting", etc. and i feel i may have posted out of confusion/slight frustration

thanks again!

I think you said it and its one of the things that confounds me as well. A fourth of the pot can be tptk or even two pair at times. People just dont bet to charge draws. A half a pot bet on the turn is usually a monster, right before the inevitable overbet all in on the river.

Grunch. Yes Llsnl is much different from online. Live players play a lot looser, way more passive, and rarely go for thin value. They rarely bluff and rarely raise pre either.

You should learn to play deep as soon as possible. Live players rarely put you to tough decisions and they often call off too light that you are giving up too much value by buying in short.

It's hard to narrow his range based on limited reads and his bet sizing doesn't tell much. So his range is probably something like 55,66, flushes and 77-QQ. He could have nut FD a tiny % of the time as well. If he bets big on river, his range would likely be flushes+ and the occasional busted FD

Since your stack is <100bb I'd imagine you've opened with KQs+, 88+. Judging by your flop play I'd say you're most likely on an AhTx.

Villain' probably on a made hand, don't think he has any bluffs in his range once he leads the turn. I'm leaning towards boats, flushes are possible also but less likely I think since he wouldn't raise flop with a flush in my opinion.

I've an unrelated question btw: would it still be worth for someone such as myself to post their opinions after a much more experienced and obviously better player has already done so? Wouldn't that just waste people's time? Fwiw main reason I'm doing it is because I feel it helps with my learning process, joining the discussion and so forth.

Post if you would like to post.
There are no rules about who can post at what time in a thread.
If you feel that you or someone else might get some benefit out of your posting, then by all means.

If people don't want to take the time to read any given post by a member, they don't have to.

Well put, thank you.

thanks all for the responses

regarding the hand in question: hero stacked off on turn with Q Q (assuming villain's range included a number of smaller pocket pairs and AhXo/KhXo type hands which he would call off getting just under 4:1 - in addition to nutted hands ofc) and ran into villain's K T (i opted not to raise flop as i was ip and i didn't want to risk blowing him off a smaller pp or KhXo type draw)

i just wasn't sure if i happened to simply run into the top of his range or if it was unreasonable of me to expect the average 1/2 player to play this aggressively with hands like 88-TT (possibly JJ) with one heart or AhXo/KhXo; as was pointed out, it seems the question is unanswerable

i realize you only have $75 left after you call the turn which makes you close to pot committed but calling turn and folding blank river is likely optimal. if you had even $125 behind (or more obv) then calling turn and folding river clearly is optimal. live poker is where you can make really exploitable plays that are optimal and exploiting your villains for their narrow value ranges (and lack of bluffing). alot of villains would check river with medium flushes even if you flat turn and sometimes they might check big flushes on river just cause the board paired on turn and the pot is big. the problem with shoving turn is even Ahxo or Khxo is priced in so you cant really charge draws the wrong odds and you are likely beat on turn a big % of the time. but folding turn is clearly too nitty getting those odds and we might have the best hand some of the time. but you can safely fold river when behind and have it go check check on river alot when villain has a hand like TT, 88 or a busted draw

raising flop doesnt make much sense unless hes really stationary

You need, the MAGNUM OPUS:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...-easy-1021276/

I have a thread on postflop play, but if you could survive 1/2 NL online you should be golden live.

from what i've seen so far, the above def resonates; it makes sense that plays which might be exploitable at even 100NL might actually be the most optimal line here (given most live villains will rarely choose to exploit us)

looks great, thx; reading now