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Originally Posted by SABR42
There was nothing disingenuous about my post.
You are making the assumption that you can magically "raise the stakes" while keeping everyone's ranges constant. It does not work like that.
I am (intentionally) narrowing peoples ranges enough so that I can play HU poker IP against weak passive players. C bets are unbelievably EV+ with something like a 70% fold rate, and a 25% call rate (with the 5% raise rate being only monsters), and the nice thing about 1/3 is that you get that basically every single hand. Lack of aggression leads to an entirely different game. Passive face up poker play is far less poor of a strategy in multiway pots, so you cant abuse it as easily.
My preflop raise is not a value raise, in fact my range from CO/BTN is so wide its likely wider than their (very wide) calling range, but it doesnt really matter, since I make up for that in dead money from limpers, position, and extreme post flop advantage.
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Originally Posted by ZuneIt
Some of the best advice I've received from a pro, whether it was in a book, video or article: "Don't take advice from a regular low-stakes player."
However, that leads one to question why we go to a low stakes forum where it is a group of low-stakes players sharing their views on how to play a hand.
This is true, and I think is great advice for everything except for preflop. I can say with near certainty that there are individuals posting here who should be trusted over me on near every other facet of poker except for this one. Why? Well, if you raised preflop, and got called by a passive fish OOP, this situation comes up from 1/2 all the way up to 100/200. Lowstakes and pros alike have played it many times, and i would bet the pro will have a better suggestion as to how to proceed with the flop situation. Pre? no, they havent played it at all.
For those of you (SABR) playing exclusively 2/5+, how many times, in the past year, have you played at a table with all the following qualities: that has 0 players besides yourself who 3 bet with less than KK? Played at a table with 9 players who limp 40%+ of their range? who call after a limp with 100% of their limping range up to 5 or 6 BBs? Because thats damn near EVERY table at 1/2 and 1/3, and i havent seen it once at 2/5+.
SABR, you cant be reasonably trusted on this topic because its an aspect of the game you likely havent seen in a long time (im being forced to assume since you wont answer my question on how much youve played 1/2 or 1/3.) Its like im advocating swinging at every pitch in a machine pitch baseball league and you come in as a pro baseball player saying to lay off some pitches, look for a curve ball when youre behind in the count, whatever.
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Originally Posted by SABR42
I was never arguing semanthics on what constitutes a "small raise." A "small raise" is something that allows you to have some fold-equity vs the blinds and profitably see the flop with enough of your range that you can have playability and board coverage on most run outs. At $10/20 a 3bb raise is enough to have fold-equity pre-flop, at $1/2 it may be 5bb, it doesn't matter.
My whole point is that you shouldn't raise so big that you handicap your own range.
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lol, gotta cover those boards at 1/2. Your head is in the clouds, get a grip on what lowstakes players are like. This comment is just such a quintessentially “right about poker wrong about 1/2” opinion.
1) they dont have any clue what your range is, preflop, postflop, any of it.
2) they cant read boards beyond the must rudimentary. The concept of a board missing their opponets raising range is about 6 concepts beyond their comprehension.
3) They dont 3 bet pre, they dont semibluff, they dont c/r flop without a massive monster, when they do finally bet its far too small, like their 3 bets are min 3 bets, their bets are the same size on every street. The amount of “playabililty” as compared to SPR is way higher at low stakes simply because there is only one person driving the action, and its you. Lets say youre 200 deep at 1/2, so not very deep. You make it 15, they have QQ, for 1 call (30 pot, 185 behind). Flop comes T92, they check, you bet 25, they call (80 pot, 160 behind), turn blanks, he checks, you bet 50 (180 pot, 110 behind). youve nearly got a PSB left behind OTR, and its a totally common situation, and for that matter, if you have something like air or a fd or 87, youd just check back the turn, and bet river if you hit a draw, he will just check call. Even with raises as big as im advocating, its not exactly easy to get it ALL in at llsnl. Beyond that, if you hit a pair of 2s on that T92 flop, you can check flop, turn, river, QQ may bet it once, or twice for 1/4th pot. Of course typically youd be 300 deep as well.