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1/2 Nut straight vs Maniac 1/2 Nut straight vs Maniac

08-18-2019 , 10:56 PM
Hero $450 BB - A 20s African American female. Seen as tight aggressive. She is currently at an aggressive table. Majority players are very deep and are making plays for stacks. Have played with the same people for 3 hrs straight.

V1 $420 SB - 30s Latino Maniac. He plays post flop very aggressively and tends to limp/call anything. In a previous hand, I raised 9 9 to $20 on the BTN with 5 limpers, heads up. He called with 24 so I mean he plays every hand
Post flop, he likes to make plays as well

V2 $150 BTN - 50s Italian foreign man. He does not speak English but had to rebuy his chips at LEAST 7 times. He goes all in every other hand and has rarely won. So he rebuys for another $100.

V3 $600 HJ - 30s Caucasian man. He is playing quite differently than usual. He has limped in late position 4 times with KKs and once with AAs. And he just smoothed called with KK on a raised straddle pot. He spoke to me in private and said he does this to trap 'certain' aggressive players on the table.(Most likely to refer to V1 and V2)

V4 $250 UTG 50s Caucasian man. He is tight aggressive. He clearly doesnt care for the calling action much as when he has premium pairs he tends to raise $20-$100! Preflop with one or two limpers.


Hero is given K J

5 way limped to the pot ( a rare occasion )

10 Q 10

Checked around

V2 last to act is about to bet but the dealer doesnt see his action and turns over the 'turn' card A

Once V2 sees this, he changes his mind to bet on the flop and just checks as he doesnt want the dealer to take back the card....

Although the A gives Hero the nut straight, she takes note of this.

V1 checks

Hero bets $15
V4 folds
V3 calls
V2 thinks and calls
V1 calls

($64)
River is a 6

V1 checks

Hero bets $40
V3 folds
V2 surprisingly snap folds,

V1 thinks and says $160

Hero???

Does Hero call this $120 bet?
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08-18-2019 , 11:00 PM
Yes !
You said he’s a maniac and likes to make plays. This is never a fold.
Raising does nothing, the only thing that “should” call is a boat or ur same hand
Sorry if he showed you 10 6 offsuit
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08-18-2019 , 11:19 PM
I would actually go a lot bigger otr given the two villains in this hand. Snap call the $160 as played, literally never folding this to this villain.
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08-18-2019 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
I would actually go a lot bigger otr given the two villains in this hand. Snap call the $160 as played, literally never folding this to this villain.
Really? Actually when I was in the moment, I was thinking that checking the river may have been optimal instead of betting into 3 players. Especially if I was now thinking twice about a reraise bet on this board.
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08-19-2019 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Jamlana
Really? Actually when I was in the moment, I was thinking that checking the river may have been optimal instead of betting into 3 players. Especially if I was now thinking twice about a reraise bet on this board.
We have to go for max value vs fish like these. Bet-fold is a solid line vs a lot of opponents, but not vs a maniac. This is just not a hand we can fold vs a huge bluffer or someone that could be over valuing Tx.
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08-19-2019 , 12:51 PM
Given the reads and the way the hand was played, I call the river raise.
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08-19-2019 , 01:46 PM
Tough to figure what villain is representing on limp pot. He can't have AT if he's a maniac he'd raise pf, you have KJ. If he was happy to see the A, he could have Tx and was hoping someone had an A to extract value...? I'm calling him hoping he had a T.
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08-19-2019 , 01:56 PM
I prefer to x this river. Only Tx or better can call our bet and all Tx will bet when/if checked to them. Boats will value bet unless they are very clever and capable of making a big polarized bet otr. This limits our exposure when we run into boats.

Wadr to 67o, who gives very astute advice, I’d rather pot control this river than go for max value on a paired board multi-way.

AP: crying call getting over 2-1 but I’m not happy.
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08-19-2019 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
I prefer to x this river. Only Tx or better can call our bet and all Tx will bet when/if checked to them. Boats will value bet unless they are very clever and capable of making a big polarized bet otr. This limits our exposure when we run into boats.

Wadr to 67o, who gives very astute advice, I’d rather pot control this river than go for max value on a paired board multi-way.

AP: crying call getting over 2-1 but I’m not happy.
I appreciate it. I respectfully disagree on checking river, because we can't x-r, and maniacs tend to be stations (at least the ones I deal with) and Ax and Tx is paying you off so I feel like we lose a lot of value by not value betting.
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08-19-2019 , 02:54 PM
Checking the river is too mubsy for me. Lots more than just Tx and Ax are calling a river bet.

Call the raise. If he somehow has a boat, good for him.
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08-20-2019 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Ddebaggi
Yes !
You said he’s a maniac and likes to make plays. This is never a fold.
Raising does nothing, the only thing that “should” call is a boat or ur same hand
Sorry if he showed you 10 6 offsuit
It's funny how you said 10 6 offsuit. When I was thinking of his ranges, I felt he would have definitely raised A10 in SB and even Q10 the way he plays so I called his reraise...he showed 10 6 offsuit. I was disgusted
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