HJ (~$200) raises to $6, I call in CO with A7 ($300), solid TAG reg middle-aged Asian guy calls on BTN ($400), short-stacked fish playing almost every hand calls in BB ($60)

Flop($25): TT4

Checks to me and I bet $15, BTN calls, other players fold.

Turn ($55): K

I bet $20, he plays with his chips for a little and calls.

River($95): 3

I bet $50 - Villain thinks for about minute, acts like he's thinking of folding/has a hard decision, and then raises to $150.

Thoughts? Kind of skimpy on info but this was about half hour into the session and Villain had just come back from dinner about 15 minutes prior - raised 2 hands and took down small pots with flop c-bets but no reads outside of that. I realized afterwards that he was a reg once I started seeing him in the room 2-3 times per week.

FWIW I really hated seeing this raise - especially with the "about to fold" routine.

Never folding. Depending on which Asian guy this is depends on my action.

Turn bet should have been bigger. $20 into $55? You look weak. Even $50 into $95 on the river ... Looks like you are afraid of a lot of hands but might have a T and want to get value.

What have you got - $109? - behind if you just call? Man a shove seems like spew but I hate not getting value. I mean, $6 pre doesn't eliminate any hands from his range. QdJd? KTo?

When I bet $20 on the turn I was putting him on some kind of mid PP (55-99) and figured the best way to get value from those hands would be a small bet.

River sizing was pretty bad I suppose because he's not calling $50 with any of those pairs but he's definitely calling $100 with any random ten or smaller flush.

Actually after typing that I realize I probably should have bet bigger on the turn based on the same reasoning. He's probably not continuing with any of those pocket pairs anyway but calling bigger bets with a lot of hands I beat.

I actually posted this hand in my PGC thread. Not sure if you read it/know the results already.

i haven't seen this hand in there. totally grunched response.

Raise Pre
$20 on Flop
$50 on Turn
Bet $80 and call river IMO

Why are you putting him exactly on a middling pocket pair? Even if that does make up the majority of his range, which is very unlikely, you shouldn't be betting an amount that targets the weaker part of his range ott. Your only behind 10 combos of fh/quads, and ahead of way more combos of weaker flushes and Tx.

I think this has to be a call.

Due to your super weak bet sizing on turn/river, V probably puts you as weak. Vil most likely thinks he's ahead with a 10 and a decent kicker.

Raising is a bad option because V folds all of his 10x and worse and only calls with his FHs

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Yes bet sizing was definitely poor here. g00tlife I'm not sure why you're advocating 3betting preflop.

I have a question for you guys though - how often do you see a guy act disappointed, seem like he's going to fold, raise, and then not have a nutted hand?

I'm 3betting this 95% of the time. Isolate and build pot. His 3x raise to me would be fairly weak unless you have some sort of read/tell that he raises 3x with all hands.

Grunch.

Snap-fold. A TAG here is never going to raise $100 without a hand that can beat the flush. I would much rather use the betting pattern than the tell but here you are able to use both.

Also, why not isolate this pf? There is only one limper in front and a tight, predictable player behind you. I am not going to worry much about the fish on the SS since I will have position and I know I can outplay him.

I know everything about this looks illogical. We are leveling ourselves into making a call here because we bet small. But if our read that he is a TAG is correct, then he is never raising QJ on a paired board. He is just going to call.

We have to be good here like what, 33% of the time? We are never good here one time in three.

Never folding on this. Call.

if villan is who you say he is(solid TAG reg), he did a pretty horrible job building up the pot to get stacks in with a value hand. why would he ever flat flop+turn here and not get stacks in with TK/44? afterall u guys are $300 deep.

Villian either has a T, or another flush.

Four way into the flop. TT4 board. If he calls your 15 bet, then there is nothing else he has besides a T, fd, or flopped set, which there is a chance he would of raised with a T or a flopped set since there are diamonds there.

Going into the turn, you have to start getting value now. You're ahead of the two major hands he could have, which is a T and diamonds. And neither of those two hands are folding. Bet 50 ott, and watch him call.

We are never folding the river either. Yes his range could be a pp that boated, but we are beating way too much of his range to let get of this hand, not after he called both streets to barrel on river. If he did have a boat, then he played it the "perfect way", not the correct way, but the "perfect" way.

As played, I'm calling. Like I said, you could beat a lot of his range here and only lose to a select few hands.

your villain description matches the way the hand played out quite poorly. i can't see him raising this w/ Qh flush, and if he's really TAG, there's basically 1 combo of QXdd, and that is QJ. would he turn a hand like T9 into a bluff? meh, don't think so.

OTOH would a take flat otf otr with a boat? doubtful....

and the horrible acting job, it's almost always and exclusively something nutted... i'm just hating life in this spot and fold

This is basically what went through my mind on the river. We seem to be outnumbered here though as most other posters think I should be getting my stack in. Most semi-competent regs are never raising with worse for value here. Their MUB won't allow it. That combined with the acting made me hate this spot.

I definitely agree that bet sizing was poor because even if he does have a boat in this specific situation, I guess his range is more heavily weighted towards relatively strong hands that I beat, in which case I'm missing value.

I think ABC type would be a more apt description than solid TAG reg. He's not an especially good player. I haven't played much with him though.

i think your bet sizing screwed this hand up. if you bet normal on all streets, and he jams river, i think its an easy fold as he probably won't be jamming worse, but probably will call with like worse flushes as he doesn't want to jam and value own himself. since u bet so small on all streets, he probably thinks flatting river is weak and wants to put in a raise. the bigger u bet, the more chance he thinks he's behind, and the smaller u bet he probably thinks he's ahead and wants to put in a raise as your bet sizing looks like some kind of blocker bet with a small flush or Tx

Bet 55$ on the turn and jam river, as a default I expect all Tx and lower flushes to be calling.

I think turn should be ~40 here.

If you lose on the river IMO it's to K10 most of the time so I call and pay off here if I'm losing. I expect to hear from 4's full earlier and I think the times you pay off K10 are made up from the times you beat the 10-8/9/J/Q holdings.