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12-07-2012 , 04:31 AM

GoodDaySir

stranger

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 6

Playing at 1/2 table, it becomes 6 handed late at night.
An much older man who has been playing pretty loose aggressive all night.
Ive been playing very tight, come in 80% of the time w/ a raise.

Villian (roughly 250) - UTG
MP
MP+1
Hero ($120) - Button
SB
BB

Hero Dealt: J

UTG calls, MP folds, MP+1 calls, Hero raises 12, SB folds, BB folds. UTG, calls, rest fold.

Flop: 8

UTG checks, Hero bets 10, UTG raises to 40. Hero..?

Honestly i feel as though he put me on AJ or some weak pair. I wouldnt put it past him to check 2 pair, i usually continuation bet 90% of the time. 10 is a weak bet, but once again im pretty noobish

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12-07-2012 , 04:58 AM

DK Barrel

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An old man playing LAG? There's only two explanations.

1. He's had too much to drink
2. He's actually learned how to play during 30 years of poker experience

If it's #2, yes your 1/3rd pot bet screams "I have 2nd/3rd pair" and any good player should raise over that with any two cards.

Your cbet size should have little to do with your hand and everything to do with the board texture -- read the uNL cotw on cbetting, it's good. And you should definitely not be cbetting 90%, that's spew.

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12-07-2012 , 05:25 AM

GatorXP

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,887

Preflop looks good. Pot size is now $27 and we are betting $10? Either throw $20 out there and represent, or check to induce.

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12-07-2012 , 07:20 AM

GoBlue11

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Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 707

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Originally Posted by GatorXP

Preflop looks good. Pot size is now $27 and we are betting $10? Either throw $20 out there and represent, or check to induce.

Represent? What exactly?

I would probably check here if he's aggresive because there's a good chance hes bad aggressive and will bet quite a bit vs missed cbets.

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12-07-2012 , 07:34 AM

GatorXP

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,887

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Originally Posted by GoBlue11

Represent? What exactly?

I would probably check here if he's aggresive because there's a good chance hes bad aggressive and will bet quite a bit vs missed cbets.

Represent that he is not looking to fold...would you like me to lay out a range?.....Understand the concept of Cbetting i assume.

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12-07-2012 , 11:59 AM

GoodDaySir

stranger

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 6

So gathering from the responses, i should of definitely raised more... thinking about it now, with how low my stack size is, should i have checked and waited to see if anything lower than a jack comes and bet the turn? ive seen him call a $20 reraise with QTos..he definitely has some ****ty Q's in his range

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12-07-2012 , 02:18 PM

spikeraw22

The Situation

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 8,741

I would bet this board with air. I would check vs an aggressive opponent and try to get a cheap showdown if I think he's gonna take a stab or two.

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12-07-2012 , 02:28 PM

gobbledygeek

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Preflop looks obvious.

I would check back the flop. A better hand is never folding and it seems unlikely a worse hand is going to pay off the rest of our stack over 3 streets on a drawless board. I'd then go into soul read mode on turn if he donks.

As played, it's still a check/raise in spite of our weak bet, so I'd probably fold although I don't feel great about it.

GcluelessNLnoobG

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12-07-2012 , 02:44 PM

Dragon-Ash

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Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 440

For the love of god why isn't the pre-flop raiser c-betting this fairly dry board? No flush draws, the only straight draws are gut-shots - this is a *great* board to c-bet. And no, your 1/3rd PSB doesn't count as a proper c-bet.

Thanks to the small flop bet you have no idea if villain has a monster or if he just sensed you were weak and didn't like the queen.

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12-07-2012 , 03:00 PM

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CIarence

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Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 53

Only problem is your cbet size is too small. Its too easy for him to bluff raise you. I would bet closer to pot and fold to a raise.

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12-07-2012 , 03:31 PM

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gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by Dragon-Ash

For the love of god why isn't the pre-flop raiser c-betting this fairly dry board? No flush draws, the only straight draws are gut-shots - this is a *great* board to c-bet.

Is a better hand going to fold?

Is a worse hand going to call 3 streets worth of betting?

If not, why are we betting? We should be betting air here, not a mediocre hand.

GimoG

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12-07-2012 , 04:01 PM

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Dirty313

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,486

bet 2/3-3/4 pot on the flop

if called i would check the turn to induce a bluff on the river which u would snap call and if he had a q then so be it

only make small 1/3 pot bets with sets or other monsters that u would be happy to get raised with OR on super dry flops like 833r when u have KK or AA OR in 4bet pots where bet sizing can be small bc stacks will get in

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12-07-2012 , 09:32 PM

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Rommel

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 967

check flop

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